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Take Back Your Couch
Leadership and hierarchy are natural in the animal world. Their places in the pack start to become established as soon as it enters the world. So it amazes me when I have clients who give up some of their comforts of home to the dog! The client will say, "Oh, that's Baxter's couch" or "My husband and I can't even see each other in our bed because the dogs take up all the room in the middle." Wait a minute! You paid for your house! You go to work to pay for that couch, and that bed and yet you can't use it because it "belongs" to the dog? Something's very wrong there. If this describes you, then it's time to take back your own home.
Once again, it all comes back to establishing a leadership position. You must feel in your bones that you are the pack leader in the house, and project that calm-assertive energy. If you assert true leadership, your dog will not be sad, or hate you, or resent you, even if you take back the place on the sofa. But you have to really mean it. Having a leader is hardwired into your dog's brain - that's what he both needs and wants. Take advantage of that and go ahead, sit on your couch again!
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63 Comments
Sometimes I have found these signs can be so subtle!
Like when Signal came into the house, the first thing he did was to take over the pillows at the top of the bed!!!
Now I am seeing a direct cause/effect between my ruthless "pack leader" interaction with Signal and Steve's "Best friend" interaction.
When Steve calls Signal over on the bed to pet him, then rolls over, Signal immediately goes over to MY pillows and plogs down next to Steve's side. Then he mostly will do this cute roll over on his back with pethedic look at mom things that is so darn hard to resist.
It is so cute, that if I break MY disapline and smile or laugh - then I have to tell him to move to the foot of the bed (dogs have a safe spot they can go to on the foot of the bed). If I can just hold the space - clear energy of pack protocol, is how I am coming to think/feel it - then he will simply get up and move to the bootom of the bed without a word or action from me.
So for me, what Cesar says about "project energy" is very literal and physical to feel. I am using it in a tense work situation right now that is extrodinarily effective. Also interesting, because as a contractor dealing with this client who literally has the all the power, including to fire or blacklist me is stressful for me too which cannot be allowed, - but I am having to keep him calm and balanced from the stress he is under right now.
The client is literally re-writing a class that is supposed to be presented tomorrow, and the student's materials arent even done. (My piece was done three weeks ago). I can see that this is his pattern that needs to be redirected into the calmness because it will all blow out if I let the energy explode that is in him, just like what used to be in Signal Bear.
My dogs sit on the couch & chair in our living room.
They are very well-behaved, and if they are asked to move,
they do so without a problem. Funny, I have full control
over them in the house -- it's just OUTDOORS where I have
all my problems LOL! But my boyfriend, who usually sits
at the desk working on his computer all night long, will
occasionally say "Hey, there's no room for me" if I and
the two dogs are on the couch and chair. I always say
to him "Just tell the dog to move!" And he is reluctant
to do so. These dogs are so spoiled rotten! I've gotten
him to assert himself more often. They need to know that
the chair is "Daddy's" if he wants to use it. Sometimes
if my boyfriend sits on the couch with me, one or both
dogs will try to get up there with both of us. Definitely
a dominant thing. I just calmly make them get down on
the floor or make them go to another room. At night,
one sleeps on a blanket in our room, and the other dog
sleeps on the couch in the living room, or joins his
"brother" on the blanket for a little while. I should
have this kind of control over them when we're outdoors,
but I don't yet!
I was thinking about this "calm assertive energy" Cesar speaks of and for the life of me I just couldn't understand what he was talking about. Until, I remembered when raising my kids (3) all one year apart that keeping them under "control" could get fairly difficult.
Times I would say no, for instance, but deep down didn't mean it...they knew, why wasn't the word enough? My engergy wasn't backing it up.
Other times when I said no and meant it with every fiber..they never said another word, but rather accepted my no right away.
Now, after having looked back at those situations when raising my kids, I get what Cesar is talking about and boy does it work!
I made the mistake of allowing my German Shepherd to claim too many parts of the house when I first got her. Her previous owners had never let her in the house so I guess I felt like she should get to experience the luxuries of being a house dog like laying on the couch and sleeping with us in bed. It didn't take long for her to become defiant when I would try to move her. She would sit on the couch/bed and just look at me like why was I trying to move her off her couch/bed. I talked to my husband about this (he was the more lenient of us) and explained to him that it was ok for her to be on the couch or bed but only if we invited her and if she jumped up there with him of her own accord he needed to make her get off. It did not take long at all for her to figure out the rules.
I can completely relate to the problem of the difficulty of controlling the dogs mind outside of the house. She is very receptive to the snap of my fingers or "uh-uh" with a point in her direction inside the house,but when we are walking everything will be fine with her trotting right at my side then all of a sudden she lunges at a squirell. I know Cesar would say to correct her the moment she fixates on the squirell and I'm sure I could work on my timing in that regard but sometimes it seems like she doesn't even see it coming, the squirell is just right there all of a sudden and she immediately lunges. Has anyone who has a squirell fixated dog been successful using a technique to get the dog to ignore it? As summer approaches the squirrels are only going to get thicker and our walks more unpleasant.
Amber,
My dogs both are squirrel-lungers, as well as cat and
strange-dog lungers. I inadvertently trained them to do
that, I think, because I would tense up whenever I saw
a squirrel, cat or dog (or ducks, geese, etc.). A couple
years ago, I stopped tensing up when I saw squirrels, but
I still tense up (now) when I see a cat or dog. Today it
was ducks. I immediately catch MYSELF tensing up, and
tell myself to calm down, and I am telling you this
translates right down the leash to the dogs. Today I
made incredible progress on our two one-hour walks (hooray! I did it!) and we had lots of challenges. No
cats, but several dogs, most of them loose. I simply no
longer look at the other animal. I look straight ahead,
and I keep my shoulders down "military style" and take
a deep breath and just keep moving, deliberatly and in
an un-stressed manner. I find that if I do not fixate on
the other animal, then neither do they. I also do the
quick "snap" of the leash if their heads move to look at
the other animal (whether it's just one of them, or both
of them). The other night, I was walking them in the dark,
and they saw something (cat, skunk???) and lunged before
I even saw it (actually, they probably smelled before saw).
I got dragged down on the ground. At that moment, I
realized that I cannot ever be "off duty" and caught by
surprise when walking them outdoors. I have to always be
on the lookout, one step ahead of them. It is a LOT of
work re-training myself LOL! They don't lunge after
squirrels anymore, in fact, they barely even "perk up" if
a squirrel is nearby. Same with small birds. And I think
this is because I am ignoring the squirrel or small bird,
so I'm tranferring that energy to the dogs.
Hey everyone!
My dogs Loooove the couch. And it's no problem for me or them because they wait to be invited up. If either of them jumps up without my "OK", then I say "Off" and they jump right off. If they don't, then I pull them off, make them "sit" and "Wait". Once they stop and relax, then I offer the space to them. My girl sleeps on the bed with me and my hubby. But she is only allowed by my feet. My big boy is too big to jump up on the bed, so I have a huge doggie pillow next to the bed for him. Even though he is the dominate one over her (never me) he loves his personal space on that pillow. And she never goes on it. All my dogs all my life have slept on my bed by my feet. Not only do I enjoy the bonding, they keep me really, really warm!
And in Wisconsin, that's very important! :)
K2,
Yes, I completely agree that the more focused I am on the walk, the better she does. Sometimes I just don't see it coming or I see the squirrel the same time she does and I'm sure I tense up then correct her or maybe brace myself (same difference). We are doing better with dogs and cats though. If she lunges at a barking dog behind a fence I make her walk by until she does it right and cats are safe as long as they don't run.
For about 12 years my beagle was able to sit on the couch. Then we noticed he started using it to gain dominance over our sick dog. Well our dog died and we got a new dog, and the trend continued. The Beagle felt powerful being up high on the couch while my new dog, bullmastiff, was on the floor.
So I started keeping my beagle off the couch and he learned right away that he can't go on the couch anymore. Since he has not been able to go on the couch , he has calmed down a little of his aggression towards my other dog.
But my dog doesn't hate me or is mad at me that I won't let him on teh couch anymore. Like Cesar says, dog's live in the moment. That's just more proof that they really do.
If my dogs could reach the bed (it's too high) I would
allow them to sleep with us. My boyfriend wouldn't, though. LOL! So, just as well that they can't reach the
bed. I don't "invite" them onto the couch or chair, they
just go there when they want. But there's never a problem
and half the time they prefer to lie on the floor anyhow.
Amber, another thing I've been trying that I've seen
Cesar do (but don't try this if you're not comfortable)
is try to make the dogs sit or lie down and get completely
calm before moving forward if there is an animal in their
sights (scents) that they want to fixate on or chase.
It's really difficult, so I think the old "don't try this
at home" advice does apply! In last week's DW episode
Cesar stopped at the foot of a stairway where a dog was
lying at the top, and he had the aggressive dog lie down
at the foot of the stairs with his back turned to the dog
at the top. Once he had that accomplished, he walked up
the stairs and approached the dog. The two dogs got along
just fine, whereas with the owners before that they were going crazy and the owners couldn't control them at all.
Hi Dog Whisperer-ites
When I'm not home, all bets are off (lol). When I get home, I see my 2 older cockers sleeping side-by-side on the couch and as sweet as can be. I don't have the heart to disturb them but once they are awake, they are raring to go on their walk.
When I have company, they know to take to the floor unless invited up on the couch. Since I have always had dogs, I let them sleep where they want, which is on the bed. The only problem I have is Kahlua, my chocolate cocker. He sleeps toclose to me. I don't mind it during the winter but during the summer, it's like having a heater glued to you. He sleeps so soundly that it's quite hard to get him to move over - 35 pounds of dead weight. I feel Cesar is right about being calm-assertive to your dogs all of the time but there are times when I have relaxing time with them and I just want them to be dogs at ease (calm-submissive).
I just started reading Cesar's book and it is really good. This would be a great forum to discuss the book - like a book club. I went to an autograph signing and met Cesar and got my book signed by him. There is a great photo of him as a child with his family - especially his grandfather. I will use the book as a training tool, along with the DVD.
I saw Cesar's shows for the first time last night (April 17 2006). The pack leader issue interests me and does anyone know if there can be two (adult owner) pack leaders? Pancho, our long haired Chihuahua, is in control of everything: the house,the walks by my husband, not so much in control of the walks with me though. Pancho is aggressive, a barker, and unfortunately a biter. He is eight years old and has been a member of our family since he was four months old. We also have an established indoor cat who was five when Pancho joined us. Pancho has respect for the cat and has learned some cat grooming behavior from her! Anyway, Cesar's show was a revelation, I plan to watch the show (and order the DVD)every Friday night from now on. Any thoughts regarding two pack leaders? Both my husband and myself as pack leaders would be ideal. Thank you.
"does anyone know if there can be two (adult owner) pack leaders?"
Of course there can! Dog packs have a "pecking order" and that means that all the dogs that are higher than "you" are dominant to you, and every dog that is lower than "you" is subnmissive to you. And "you" don't care about the pecking order among those over or under you, you only know who can "peck" you (this all comes from studies of chickens, did you guess?) and who you can peck.
So your dog won't care if you are dominant over your husband, or vice versa, he will only care that you both are (or AREN'T!) dominant over HIM.
Holly,
Every "human" in the house is/should be the pack leader. There was an episode on DW where a couple were expecting a baby. Each person had their own dog prior to their getting married so they had to solve that problem first, then Cesar showed them how the dynamics would change once the baby was born. The dogs were taught their boundries before and after the baby arrived. Once the baby girl was born, she became the "youngest" pack leader. Cesar taught the couple how to walk the dogs BEHIND the baby carriage. It was very enlightening.
Holly,
In everything Cesar has published -- book, DVD, TV show,
he explains that ALL humans must be the pack leaders at
all times. So, yes, you and your husband are supposed to
both be the pack leaders. The Dog Whisperer runs in
reruns in the mornings and afternoons, if you are home
to see it I urge you to. I watched one of the re-runs
this morning and it was SPOT ON for me and my situation!
The dog even looked exactly like my Lab/Shepherd and
acted like him on walks! It was great to see it again.
I pre-ordered the first-season DVD which will be released
in May, and I just got notification from the online DVD
service that they have reduced the price of my order
because the DVD is now on sale. I'm going to save like
$20! Get the book and the DVD and the 1st season DVD when
it comes out in addition to watching the show every Friday.
I tape the shows, and watch them over and over, like I'm
"studying". I can't tell you how much it has helped me.
I've got to start checking the TV schedule at the top of this page everyday...The Dog Whisperer is one FIVE times today! Yay! :)
It's the ONLY show where re-runs make sense and I'm happy to watch them!
Keep it up National Geographic...we can't get enough of the Dog Whisperer!!
Thanks so much for everyone's input. Pancho and I just returned from a walk and I managed to have him sit and wait until I walked out first (that in itself is a major miracle). It is good to know there are re-runs (I will tape them) and that is an excellent idea to study them. Thank you again. Holly
Holly,
It took me about two weeks, but I've finally gotten
my Lab/Coonhound to wait while I walk out first, and
also wait at the stairs while I walk down first. My
Lab/Shepherd has always waited, even though I have always
considered him "the boss" of the household until I took
over as pack leader ha ha ha.
I do what cesar tells me to do,,, my pug molly, doesnt own my aparment at all, and I do practice hierarchy,,,, molly has her own bed in the corner of my living room, a very confy one,,, and that is where she sits, I won't have it other way, she won't take it personally or be ofended, she is happy!
K2,
Last night on our walk we walked by a fence with a dog behind it with a lot of excited energy. My dog attempted to lunge at the fence and wouldn't walk by calmly even when I started her over. I ended up sitting her up against the fence not facing the dog and correcting her with her halti (basically just making her look at me) each time she tried to look at the dog. I didn't feel like she was ever in a "calm-submissive" state but she did get to the point that she wasn't trying to look at the dog and sat still. It's funny because while I was doing that the disclaimer about not trying these techniques without a professional was going through my head but I could tell the other dog wasn't aggressive and just wanted to sniff her and I also feel confident that I can control my dog without her being aggressive towards me. It definitely is a hard psychological exercise for the dog but I feel like its safe to do if you have confidence that your dog wont be aggressive towards you and that the other dog isn't being aggressive.
I have finished reading Cesars book as well and really enjoyed it. I found the chapter on "red-zone" aggression a little hard to read because of the examples of dog abuse he discusses. I guess ignorance is bliss.
I enjoyed reading about his background. I thought the stories about Cesar coming to the states initially and how he got to where he is was pretty fascinating. I didn't read anything I didn't know already from his show but I thought it was very poignant how he stressed the walk over and over when dealing with any problem with your dog. I've always walked my dogs daily as long as I possibly could but after reading the book I've decided the walk has to be first thing in the morning and then food and then another walk right when I get home and food again (my dog needs to gain some weight).
Hi Everyone!!!
Welp....Roman has gotten the picture that I AM the pack leader...he no longer tries to mess with me all the time when I go to sit on the couch...after a few corrections, he goes away and leaves me be.
Now when company or my daughter sits on the couch...OEY VEY, that's another story. He will NOT leave her alone. I have tried repeatedly to teach my 21 year old how to get him to listen to her & the couch thing, but she gets frustrated and gives up so he wins all the time with her.
With comapny I have to constantly work with him to go away and leave us alone, but I do not have company enough to work on it so that's a work in progress for me.
I am excited to get my book....should be here definetly tomorrow, so I am looking forward to reading it! :)
Amber,
I found the chapters describing Cesar's arrival fascinating too. It shows how you can accomplish whatever you decide to do. I am about half way through the book (wish I had more time to read), and I love it.
During the walk my husky mix behaves really well most of the time. But there are a few dogs that she will not just pass without charging, and barking. It must depend on the other dog's energy. How come she would leave some dogs alone, but the others she just can't?
KathyB,
It's great that Roman is treating you like a pack leader. One very important thing that I got from the book is that you have to be the leader 24/7. It's a hard job, LOL.
I can be a leader during the walk, but at home I am not so sure. The dogs behave really well 99% of the time, so I really don't have a chance to test any rules.
Amber,
That is so cool!! Congratulations!
I've been fortunate that my dogs have always "insisted"
on the walk first thing when we get up, and first thing
when I get home from work LOL!! Gee, who was the pack
leader? ha ha ha So that part was easy for me, 'cause
I was already doing it. Except that I was being dragged
up the road instead of them walking beside me. ha ha ha
Now I'm mastering that part and doing pretty well at it!
Ewa,
I experience the same thing as well, we can walk by a dog that's barking a growling and lunging at the fence and she'll walk by without much notice and then another dog gets excited and she starts lunging back. One thing I have noticed is that if she is expecting the dog she is more likely to get worked up...If we walk by and the dog kind of surprises us by barking behind a fence, she doesn't always react. When we walk by a fence that normally has a dog behind it or a yard she can see in to she'll start looking and becoming fixated on the yard before she even sees the dog. It may just be a conditioned response. You'd think the dogs she has the most practice walking by would be the easiest but its the exact opposite.
On one episode Cesar talked about how much easier it is for dogs to walk beside each other versus the face off and it is sooo true. I have asked a couple of my neighbors with dogs if I could walk them with us and even though the initial meeting is a little hairy they calm down so quickly just walking next to each other. My neighbors love the fact I want to take their dogs for a walk too.
Ewa,
You are right about the 24/7 thing -- I learned that from
the book, too. With us, it's the opposite of what you
said, I have 99% control over them at home, and have
a really difficult time on the walk!
Ewa and Amber, I have the same experience. Some dogs
we just walk by and they could care less, but it's those
ones that I have always considered "off limits" that are
the problem. There are four separate Golden Retrievers
in my neighborhood that are always loose, and my big fear
is not that there will be an altercation, but they always
try to FOLLOW us, and I am afraid they will get hit by
a car zooming up that main road I was referring to earlier. So I consider those dogs "off limits" because
I don't want the responsibility of them following me
and getting hit. I think I project that energy to my
dogs, and then all they want to do is get to those dogs!!
On our street, there are two older male dogs who are the "pack leaders" of the street (!!) and there is NEVER one speck of excitement when my dogs see those two. It's
as if they just know these two are to be respected, and
so they just have a couple sniffs and off we all go to my
house for cookies ha ha ha!
Loved the segment on Greta and Hoss! They're both great looking dogs! I hope to see more of them in a follow up segment!
We just love watching DW! My 3 1/2 yr old daughter now walks around saying she's the pack leader to our 5 1/2 yr old male lab/shepherd mix! We've started taking walks- not quite daily yet, but we're getting there. We use a prong collar for any corrections during our walk and it seems to work well--except for a few times when he gets close to a fence where another dog is "ballistically barking" at him- then he does the same thing. *But only certain dogs- some dogs he looks at and ignores!*
I try and remain as calm as possible and "ignore the other dog" and continue the walk, but he just jumps and barks right back at the other dog. Anybody else have this problem? He really only gets to socialize with other animals when he is away from me getting his monthly grooming. (We had a older & ill beagle when he was first introduced to the household, and the two had several "ugly" fights, resulting in the beagle going to the vet for staples and stitches so I do tend to get nervous when I see other dogs "loose".
Other than the "display" around certain dogs while walking- he's great on walks and has even become more calm-submissive around the house! Any suggestions on how to eliminate the behavior around those few barking dogs that seem to ruin our harmonious walk?
I've always wondered what Cesar thinks about the dogs sleeping in the bed with you. I thought that since wolves/dogs sleep together that it would strenghten the pack bond.
I have 3 dogs. The biggest sleeps with us all the time but sometimes we wake up & push him off of us. The other 2 sleep in their own beds. However, the smallest will lay in the bed if my husband or I are by ourselves in the bed.
I "share" the couch with the dogs. They jump off & on as they please. They have 2 rules:
1 - Don't sit behind me when I sit
2 - Move when I want to sit where they are
The only thing that really bugs me is, sometimes they come up to be petted. I don't mind doing that (am I being dominated?) but the one gets really pesky about it. I've learned to make her sit & then reward her for not nosing me.
They also nose me to be petted when I'm on the computer. I've been ignoring them when they do that.
The "Greta and Hoss" segment was closest to my dog problem, in that I walk two my two large dogs (Tess, a shep/lab) and Tyber (a shep/rottie). The problem is Tess who is always hyper-alert. If she sees another dog (squirrel, fox or rabbit), her hackles go up, ears up and she will bark - if the dog is off leash and approaches her, she will lunge. (The shep/rott could not care less, he's a sweet old man). Every encounter with another dog turns into aggression (not always triggered by her, but she seems to anticipate it). When we pass another leashed dog on the beach, she will often bark and then drag me to where the dog had been to snurf up its tracks. She responds to correction, but I don't see the end of the tunnel, i.e., a point where we can just walk without her needing a correction. I use a pinch collar, put it high up on the neck, but when she catches a scent or wants at something, all bets are off. Tried other collars, same issue.
As far as the couch and chairs, one dog trainer told me that it's not whether they get up, but whether they get down. Tess will occasionally get on the couch but always gets down when she's told. Tyber cannot get on the couch - he has hip atrophy and has lost a lot of the kick in his giddy-up.
pittbulski, from what I gather, Cesar has nothing against
dogs sleeping in the same bed w/the owner, but the owner
does need to claim the bed and set rules, boundaries and
limitations. If the owner tells the dog to get off the
bed, then the dog has to do it. Same with couch and
chairs. As long as you "own" the couch or bed, then you
should do as you please.
Janer, boy can I relate to you! I've posted many a story
on the blog about my being dragged down on the beach by
my Lab/Shepherd and my Lab/Coonhound. My Lab/Shepherd
is hyper-alert too, and a chaser of squirrels, foxes, and
rabbits. I see what you mean about there being "no end
in sight" as far as the corrections go. My two tend to
feed off of each other's energy and things can get pretty
hairy out there! Especially on the beach where there are
a LOT of new dogs to "snurf"! I have figured out that I
need to be 100% "on duty" -- whereas I had originally
adopted the Lab/Shepherd as a walking companion, once the
two dogs reached maturity, I have had to give up the
relaxation portion of my walk in favor of it becoming a
practice session. I have found that if I can walk for a
LOOONG time before going to the beach (like an hour or
more) then they are much calmer, but still "on alert".
It's nice to know I am not alone with this problem!
BTW: I have noticed a great influx of Lab/Shepherd owners.
Maybe we should advocate it being a breed that might
be AKC recognized! LOL! I think mine is the most
gorgeous creature in the world. Ok, I am biased!
I am the owner of two German Shepherds, my two year old has always given me trouble eating. I watched the show last night with Storm. And Cesar said to mix the food with your hands. I tried it twice so far, and twice my Tucker has eaten. I did not have to let it sit for hours, and constantly telling him to eat. I won't be late for work anymore. Thanks Cesar!!
Hey Pitbullski, about the dogs nosing you at the computer (mine do too!) and demanding affection: I think a great command is "Go lie down." I taught it to stop my first dog - an adult rescue - from her habit of begging at the table. You just point and say, "Go lie down! then take the dog by the collar about 5 feet away from where you are sitting and physically put him in the down position. Repeat every time he approaches you ad infinitum. It only took me one seriously interrupted meal for my shep mix to get it. If she gets up to go somewhere else away from me I let her be. After all, I don't want her in a down/stay. I just want her to not bug me!
This command has come in quite handy for whenever she is bothering someone or soliciting unwanted attention, for instance bugging a visitor for affection who is allergic to dogs, or follwing a toddler who is walking around with a cookie.
Fran, congratulations! I used that hands-on trick, too, but not because my dogs refuse to eat -- no problem there!
I just wanted them to know that I was the "owner" of their
food, and wanted my scent on the food.
Joanna, I have always used the "go lie down" command
forever. It works really, really well. I teach it to my
dogs first thing when they are young, even before "sit"!!
They are always nudging me at the computer. They want my
attention, especially if I'm typing ha ha ha. I use that
command for many different things, like if they try to wake
me up early in the morning, stuff like that.
pitbullski,
Ha Ha, I thought I had the only dog chair.
1 - Don’t sit behind me when I sit and to take it a bit further, don't lie down in my spot of the bed. Kahlua is dead weight when I try to move him but he eventually gets it. My dogs like to sleep butt-to-butt on the bed (the 2 older ones) and I don't mind because they are each others pack. The puppy splits up the pack so he sends my little senior citizen Harley, rushing for her bed on the floor. It does get a bit crowded but I don't mind. When my friends stay over, each dog picks out a friend to sleep with then just checks in on me from time to time. Some loyal friend, huh? (LOL). When my brother stays over, they all sleep with him - go figure.
I loved the episode with Hoss and Greta. Having an Akita myself, I can surely relate with the problems. Cesar made it look SO easy when he corrected Hoss, and even tempted him with those two little "appetizers"....I don't think I would even attempt to try to do what he did. Although, I am alpha, my dog's prey drive is way too high to even test him!
I like the term "hyper-alert." I have trouble describing how my dog acts around other animals and this is perfect. I took her to a trainer for a "temperment consultation" and tried to describe for him what she does. He spent about fifteen minutes with her just observing her with me and my husband, said she was a completely submissive dog and was reacting aggressively to other dogs because she was afraid. I was pretty sure that wasn't the case because she sure doesn't look afraid when her ears a straight up, she does a very shepherd stance, her hackles are up, her tail is straight up and she lunges at the dog barking aggressively (she's never actually bitten a dog but will nip at their legs sometimes). But the "hyper alert" describes her perfectly because sometimes it just seems like any movement and her brain just becomes completely focused on that animal. I know Cesar says to "block" so the mind goes somewhere else but sometimes easier said than done. It has gotten easier, but we still have issues.
It does also make me feel better that other people have this problem. Sometimes I feel like people are very judgemental when she makes a mistake even though I have complete control over her and she has never hurt another dog.
Hi all not sure if I will find this again but would love suggestions with my sisters pup. He is a 1 year old mellow Cavalier King Charles spaniel, I know a dog first, who knows no enemies, and loves everything in sight. He walks nicely on lead UNTIL he sees another dog, then his urge is to get to the other dog asap to make friends. If walking too far away, he begins yelping so that the other person hears and stops until we (or they) catch up.
He also flips when he sees certian things on tv. Some of which understandable like dogs cats horses birds, others no clue here, people on screen?
Trying to shhh hin and tell him to leave it. Thats working a bit but sometimes talks back and I move forward repeating shhhhh pointing my finger, he eventually rolls over on his back, but moment I move off, any guesses?
Had him for 10 days pup sitting and hes an angel other then those 2 things, have gotten no clues as to how to manage the tv thing...
Purrson,
Whenever my dogs perk up about something on the TV, I
say to them: "It's on the TV" in a calm voice. They
catch on right away. I "trained" them on this when they
were really young. What cracks me up is, if a doorbell
rings on TV they go nuts barking -- and NO ONE EVER uses
our doorbell!! Isn't that weird?! I can't watch game
shows like "Wheel of Fortune" because the bells make
them bark ha ha ha. But just teaching them that little
phrase really worked -- sometimes I have to repeat it
twice. But it almost always works the first time.
Hey K2, I say that to my dogs too when they react to dogs barking or babies crying on TV. And my dogs bark at doorbells on TV even though we have NEVER had one!
Cesar had a show just a few weeks ago about a dog that attacked the TV when animal shows were on. I think that Purrson is doing the right thing, just maybe not persisting long enough. Keep correcting your little angel EVERY time even if it ruins the show for you (watch something boring.) He will eventually get the idea, if you never let him get away with going right back to the behavior. My guess is it will happen fairly quickly. Right now he thinks you mean to stop it for just a few seconds. Ya gotta follow up.
The other thing Cesar did on that show was to demonstrate "the walk" in order for the dog to know who was in charge so that he would submit more easily to correction. I think you might try backing up whenever your pup pulls out in front to get at something. He will learn that pulling does not get him closer to the object of his desire. Only walking on loose lead will. Changing direction whenever the dogs pull has worked wonderfully for me. When they see an attractive object ahead they pay more attention to me because they know some random direction shift (accompanied by a jerk if they are NOT paying attention) may be about to take place!
I have a 4 month old Yorkie who is a quick study, He was paper trained at 2-1/2 months, sits, stays (thanks to Cesar) but I cannot get him to stop barking when he starts. I use the "Sshh" many times and if there is a lull in his bark, I say "thank you" and give him a treat. Ignoring him helps but any other suggestions would be appreciated!...........Love the Show and bought the book but where can I purchase the CD?...........Many thanks!!
Marji,
I was taught to say "quiet" and then give a quick squirt of water in the face with a plant mister (set on stream not mist) if the dog keeps barking. He will be startled into being quiet, then you tell him he's a good dog. Repeat as necessary. After a few times all you will have to do is touch the mister and he will be mum! It worked for me. Final step is that he responds to the word alone.
" was taught to say “quiet” and then give a quick squirt of water in the face with a plant mister (set on stream not mist) if the dog keeps barking. He will be startled into being quiet, then you tell him he’s a good dog. Repeat as necessary. After a few times all you will have to do is touch the mister and he will be mum! It worked for me. Final step is that he responds to the word alone. "
I would suggest changing this slightly. Given Cesar's mantra "scent, sight, sound" as the order in which to teach things, here's how I would do it: use the mister as described above - except, also point your finger (on the other hand) at the dog, but don't SAY anything. If the dog stops barking, praise the dog and maybe give a treat now & then. When the dog learns that a pointing finger means a squirt and gets quiet, THEN if you want to, you can introduce the word "quiet"
That way the dog will have CORRECTLY obeyed the very first time he hears the word and will have made the connection between the command and the action (or in this case, NONACTION!) much quicker and more reliably.
Hi Marji,
You can purchase the DVD on Amazon.com or his own site, Cesarmillan.com, but the 1st season is not available yet).
I'm in the middle of the book and I love it.
Yeah Doggone, good point. Gestures work better than words, and pointing is better still cuz it mimics pointing the sprayer.
K2 commented on the proliferation of Shep/Labs - we've decided that they ARE a breed. We call them American Shlabs.
My shlabbie had been barking up a storm when the dog trainer showed me the "coffee can". Put a handful of coins in a metal coffee can and give it a good shake. The sound generally snaps them out of the barking. Tess is at the point now where all I have to do to get her to stop barking is say "Coffee Can!"
Unfortunately, the shep/rott, having lived 10 yrs in a pound, has the pound bark ingrained. If Tess barks, he barks and doesn't stop until he's barked out. If I go to him and give him the Vulcan neck pinch, he'll stop - nothing else works.
The other issue is correcting a dog who is physically unable to roll on his back. Cesar often gives a display of agressive behavior the consequence of having to go belly up in a submissive posture. The shep/rott never really challenges me, but on those very rare occasions when there's a battle of wills, I have to work out another strategy because he can't roll on his back.
Janer! I love it!!! American Schlab!!! Excellent!
So, you mean yours barks, too? ha ha ha... mine is SUCH a barker! I'm going to try that coffee can thing. I'll let you know how it works for me!
"Calm-assertive, calm-submissive, rules, boundaries, and limitations" as well as "biting" with my fingertips have changed our lives. I've shared with my mom who has arthritis in her fingers and shoulders, NOW she can walk
"Buddy" without pain. "Dog Whisperer" and Cesar Millan's advice/teaching has been a godsend. Thanks a mill! Am a devoted, loyal, and recommending fan here in Kansas. How he could help the masses with dogs!
May 2-06
I have two dogs, but did a rescue on a year old Chihuahua, in Dec-05
This dog along with 30 other smalls dogs came from a raided puppy mill.
She was hit so hard in the back of the head she almost lost her eye, and does not see very well.
She lived with a Vet. tec for over 3 months.Actually one vet thought she should be put to sleep.she was full of parisite and almost dead. she was found in a gage,skinny, no name, and at deaths door. No human contact.
My problem is, she is scared to death of other people that come into my house.
She sleeps in a crate in the tv room with my other two dogs.
when anyone cames into the house she runs for her crate, or will sit by me, and of course anyone that comes into the house she barks, and now grawls at, when I say no she runs for the tv room and hids in the grate.
She is now eating and has gained alot of weight.
I only feed her dry food as my other dogs.
She loves my dogs and two cats.
Our Granddaughter was here for a week,and vists all the time, she never got use to her, she and my other two grandkids she is scared to death of.
The Grandkids are 16, 17, and 18teen, so there are not babys and have animals of there own, that they are kind too.
Being that she doesn't take to anyone , we can't leave the dog with my Grandkids to take off for a couple of days!
When I would hand her to my Grandkids she pees on them. They have tryed to take her outside to potty with the other dogs, she won't do a thing, and now growls at them if they try to take her out of the crate.
I'm ready to give her back, or find a home were nobody visits !
Anyone have any sugguestions for an abused Chihuahua, that is a year old?
Anne, You are a wonderful person for rescuing and nursing this dog back to health. NO wonder she is scared after having been treated so badly by the previous humans.
There was a Dog Whispere episode that dealt a little bit with similar problems to those you describe. It sounds like your dog is being possessive of you and "her" dogs and cats. Cesar uses some great techniques for getting dogs out of crates -- I'm envisioning that your grandchildren are probably just grabbing her and plucking her out of the crate. Remember that Cesar teaches us to try to act like dogs (like the mother dog i.e., pack leader) --- and dogs don't have hands, so they don't pick up other dogs by reaching into the crate and grabbing them with both hands. Better instead to convince the dog to come out of the crate on her own, using positive energy. When Cesar showed the first episode of the Katrina dogs, he had a segment on how to coax them out of the crates, rather than pulling them out or forcing them out. Try to get your hands on a copy of that episode. He put the leash over the dog's neck and opened the crate door and just sat there with the door open and "invited" the dog to come out. Within some period of elapsed time, the dog came out all on its own. Yes, these things take time and patience, but it will help solve your problem. Last week's episode about the Bulldogs also dealt with how to un-crate the dogs. The people were keeping them separated all the time, which was exacerbating the problems. I am not a fan of crates. I have never used them, so I recommend to everyone to try to get by without a crate if you can. On the other hand, she feels safe in her crate, so use that to your advantage. Even though your grandkids are practically adults, they can still have a lot of high energy and "fast moves" which might be too confusing for the dog -- especially given her history. Try to tell the kids, as well as all other visitors, "no touch, no talk, no eye contact" -- and keep very calm and modulated voices around the dog. Excitable energy could be making her nervous.
Also, try to see the episode where the woman had a Chihuahua who would not let the teenage son get near the woman. The dog would bite the teenage son. If the dog was sitting on the couch with the woman, and the son tried to sit down, the dog went ballistic. This sounds a bit more extreme than what you're going through, but it could escalate. The dog was seeing the woman as "his female" -- and would protect "his female" from this young teenage boy at all costs. Finally, you must walk that dog! Walking the dog, on leash, is the entire basis of Cesar's methods. A 45-minute walk, at the very least, every day. With the dog following you, not walking in front of you. These methods will cure your problem, and make your Chi a well-adjusted member of your family.
Hi K2,
Thank you for Your great advice, I appriciate it.
Maybe I should explain that the Chihuahua is only in the Crate when we go to sleep at night. She is not in it during the day unless she wants to go in there.
The door is always open, except at night.I just have to say to her, lets go to bed, and she goes right in. I feel she is safe in there , as she can't chew anything she is not suppose to. I keep a mattress cover in there, that gets washed almost everyday.
She is not real house broken. I keep the puddle pads on the carpet in that room, but when she goes out to the rest of the house, she will potty, not too long after she has been outside, and I have priased her for going potty outside.
The problem with my Grandkids is more in the morning when they get up earlier then me, and take my two other dogs out to potty, and she will not go, so they just leave her in her crate with the door opened or closed.
She is very attached to me. She wants to play and bite at my hands, and when I'm walking around the house, she wants to jump, and bite at my pant legs, which becomes very annoying. I say No, but I don't think she gets it, unless I clap my hands together, and unfortunatly that scares her.
If she wants something she whines, and whines..She does that about 12 am, 1am when am at the computer. She wants more food, and will sit near her food bowl or were it should be and cry, and yes I do feed her, which is probably a big mistake. But there is no other way to stop this bad habbit, that I know of?
I never have experiance that before,but I did just start to give her one of her nylon bones to chew on when she whines.
I noticed today when my Son and his Girlfriend stopped by, she just sits by me, and is even afraid to cross the room to sit with my Husband. (its a large great room)...My Son or anyone that comes in the house does not bother with her anymore. She is my clinging vine lol where she feels sucure...If I get up from the chair she will get up and hid or go into the tv room , where nobody is!
I live in a rural area in the mountains of California, and do not let her go outside by her self with out the long retractable leash on. I think if something scared her she would be off and running.
I have been training her to come when she is called, she is doing pretty good and follows my other dogs that are not on leashs. My other dogs stay with me.
This area is not great for her to go for long walks, and its also something that I don't do...( I do pilates lol)
when we walk on our property my other dogs stay with us, but with her sometimes, I have to carry her.
I would think after 5 months she would feel secure, like the other dogs I have rescued, but looks like I'm wrong.
From what I hear, Chihuahua's are a different breed so to speak !
They get scared, and bark allot! If I drop something on the kitchen floor (wood) she freaks out and runs for the tv room or her Crate!
When we are here alone, she is pretty much ok except for the whining, and jumping on me, and we cannot leave town for a few days just to go to the coast...We really Love this little Dog...
I also called a trainer,who said she would come to my home for $400.00 ,and the dog would get use to her in about 15 mins. and be trainable..
My vet could not believe that, knowing this dog!!...
Would welcome Anymore Ideas?
Thank You Again,
Anne
Hi Anne, Maybe this is simplistic and you've already done it...but have you tried food on this problem? I would have the grandkids sit outside the crate and offer her something really super appealing like chicken. Don't have them pick her up, especially if it scares her so much she pees! Let her come to them to get that heavenly smelling meat. Pair a really good treat with dropping something light on the wood floor. Let her create a new set of good associations with the things that scare her.
An aquaintance of mine did the with her Cavalier King Charles Spaniel who was afrid of running kids. Everytime they came tearing down the stairs she gave the dog chicken. Soon the dog couldn't wait for those kids to come running!
Of course with your dog you will start with a much milder threat, like just having your grandchild sit next to her. Also, I'm pretty sure that training in general, sit/stay/down/heel will increase her confidence and trust.
Try this stuff before spending $400!
Hi Anne,
Have you watched many of the Dog Whisper shows? It sounds to me like the whining and biting you for attention is because your Chi considers herself the pack leader. And by giving her food which is the only way to make her stop, you're reinforcing that behavior. My Lab/Shepherd is a whiner, attention-biter and only would stop until I gave him a treat or did what he wanted (taking him out for a walk, etc.). Once I started using Cesar's methods with him -- he rarely ever whines or does attention-biting (or attention-barking which we're still working on!). If your area is not conducive to walking, and you're not a walker, what about using a treadmill for your Chi to burn off some energy? It sounds like something that would work really well in your case! But if she's whining and jumping on you and biting at your pant legs, she's trying to tell you something -- "I need a pack leader!" ha ha. I agree with Joanna, too, use treats to coax her out of the crate. Cesar doesn't use treats often, so he just sat calmly and invited the dog to join him. You can combine the two -- treats and sitting near the crate waiting for her. Sounds like treats work for you, so why not use them to get what YOU want, just like she does! I really recommend that you watch Cesar's show as much as possible, and get his book. It seems like just a few simple adjustments and she will stop all this attention-grabbing behavior. And you can learn those techniques from watching Dog Whisperer.
Hi Joanna & K2,
Joanna I like the idea of my Grandkids giving My chi a treat (reward lol) to coax her out of her crate, or just to get near her when I'm not there, to get some trust that they are not going to hurt her.
she has been so badly Abused, I think she is just learning how to trust. I Think you might have a great idea here-o).
I'm not big on treats, but did buy some healthy ones, that she does like. My Daughter gave her a peice of chicken and it made her sick, Hopfully the doggie treats will work!!She is not really into human goodies, like I know my other dogs would love ..
My Grandson is here spending the night, she even licked his hand tonight, while she was laying near me, but when my Husband dropped something on the kitchen floor tonight, she freaked out and started shaking, and would not leave my side..
I'm going to try making the noise on the kitchen floor and then giving her something yummy, as you said Joanna.
Hopfully she will associate the noise with a goody, and that noise is good thing, not bad.
We are going away for a few days in acouple of weeks. I'm going to leave my dogs in my house with two of my Grandkids...
Keeping my fingers crossed, that these little tricks will make her life Happier, and ours !
K2 The Chi runs through my house like a puppy which she is , I assume she is getting exerceses. My house is a good size, and she runs around like crazy from one end to the other (when nobody is here) , my other dogs can't keep up with her.They all play that little game together.
I do run with her outside, but not on a regular basis.
I have not seen to many of the Dog Whisper's shows, but the ones I have seen, I'm very impressed, that's why I'm here lol...
I do agree when she nips me, she wants something, But I think she wants to play or wants to be picked up!
but you think she needs a pack leader! MMMM never thought of that! I have two other dogs, My Boston Terrier she loves to cuddly up with.Probably cause she is chubby and warm lol..
Right now she is sleeping in her donut bed by herself.
I would like to see her more independant, and not so needy, when I'm in the tv room with her.
Hopfully she will get more self confidence in her self from all your ideas, which I am going to try on her..
I'm going to Amazon right now to order the Dog Whisper's book...
Thank you so much, and I will keep you up to date.
If you have anymore Ideas, please share them..
Thanks Again,
Anne
I hope the Dog Whisperer will have longer programing. One hour is not enough and we dog owners need to see and understand how to help our animals. I am glued to the tv as is my daughter when Cesar Millan is on the show. Please give him more time to make more of these wonderful instuctive tv programs.
My wife and I have a yellow lab and he has been getting on the couch when we are away at work. When we are home he listens and does not get on the couch because he knows he is not supposed to. No amount of reprimanding seems to work when we do get home and have found he has been on the couch. What can I do to make my lab understand even when we are not home he is not allowed on the couch.
How do you train a dog not to get on the furniture when you aren't home or in the room? My dog is great about when I am around, just not when I'm gone.
I HAVE PUPPIES I CAN GET THEM TO EAT SEPRATLY OR SHARE..
06-07-06
Dear Cesar,
I faithfully watch,tape and try to use your methods with my 2 small dogs, Bichon Frise and
a rescue poodle mix. I need help, YOURS I Hope!! The dogs will be 2 years old July, 2006.
The Bichon does not wish to come when called,
they both bark when they hear someone in the hall or the phone rings etc. We live in a condominium on the 4th floor with other neighbors. I am trying you technich of pointing and shhhhh. I never trained them to use the crate, they both sleep with me. I would like to have my bed back. When anyone comes in the house, the friendly dogs dance on their hind legs, jump up and bark. My neighbors probably will lynch me if the dogs do
not stop barking.
I have been trying to contact you, as I saw a
note on the dogwhisperer ngc that people were being invited to be on the program I really need your help and be considered for a visit from you.
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Hi Cesar!
I watch your show nearly every week and I have a troubled dog. She is a cute mini schnauzer that is 6 years old and has a terrible time with anxiety and fear. She barks at anything and even sometimes so barks in the backyard for no reason at all!
She has so many issues that I'm afraid to list them all, so I'll try a few. She barks in the car of anyone who comes up to the car or at a car next to us. I can't walk her anywhere without her barking or doing this high pitch whinning and stands on her back legs whining or barking. She doesn't let anyone get by her without barking or whining at them. When I release her to them she let's down and either whins or continue barking at them. She barks uncontrolably when anyone rings our doorbell no matter how many times she has seen them or sits in a chair and barks at anyone who walks by or when I leave the house and don't take her with me. My whole family is sick of her barking and desperately need your help!!! Pleae call me if you can and see if you can come and see me and help me out.. I live in Longmont, CO and my phone number is (303)776-6265 home and my cell # (303) 775-6265. Thanks for anything you could do for me. She is a darling dog once she is out of this control situation. Thanks!
Becky Shiffer
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Dear Cesar,
Ive been having a problem with my border colie, colie mix who is 2 years old. She listens to most of my comands, but starts growling and show her teeth when i comb her. I have taped her on her head when she begins to growl and said no, but she continues. What would be my next step as her winter coat is comming off and she is beginning to form mats. I watch your show every chance i can. Thank you advance
Micheline Lepage, Fort Nelson British Columbia Canada.
My new Bichon came from a home where he lived with his 5 siblings AND the mom and dad. All of them slept in the bed with the owners. They weren't put up for homes until they were nearly 9 months old. Since bringing ours home over a week ago, we've had difficulty keeping him out of the bedroom at night...we prefer not to have a dog in our bed. He will sit outside the door and whine and wimper ALL NIGHT THROUGH. I bought a crate and tried to put him in the crate at night (his own "den", supposedly, and he sits in it and cries, wails, wimpers and yips ALL NIGHT THROUGH. What can we do to get a decent night's sleep without the dog yipping ALL NIGHT THROUGH?
Nothing we've done seems to work. Even tried to keep him from napping all day (because he's awake all night) but that is very hard to do, too. Please advise some solution. Thanks.
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