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Well, I guess it is back to the season 1 DCD, tapes and books to review. The good thing is that the more I grow in widsom and understanding the more things there are to gleam from the lessons!
If I need a further distraction while I am impatiently waiting (no not excersie/disapline, exercise disapline,exercise/disapline... - g) there is always the Cesarism...animals are mirros for their owners to look at how my patterns are also being reflected in my human relationships from my insights of my dog relationships - g!
I hope Cesar will contune to find a way to post a paradraph or two for us to discuss - maybe exerpts from his books or other experiences!
Yip-yip! Woof! Woof! I'm so happy that new episodes will be on in a few weeks -- instead of waiting til next fall!
As always, looking forward to seeing the new episodes!
We love the Dog Whisperer! :)
I have a 4 month old t-cup Maltese Terrier, a birthday present for my 62nd birthday from two of my children. He is running my life when we're home. Help. I watch all episodes faithfully, have tried (attempted) Cesar's techniques but I am failing horribly.
I just got a Cockapoo who is 6 months old. This is my first dog or pet.
I named him Baby and he is a real joy to have. I am so glad that I found the Dog Whister so that I can learn how to treat and teach my dog.
Please keep the episodes coming, there is a lot of people like me that need the help.
I Love Cesar's way of explaining how to treat the dogs.
Thank you Cesar for being there for us.
Grandma, What kinds of things are happening with your puppy? Is it only when you're at home that he disobeys, and outside the home he does what you want? Could he be bored when you're at home? Is he getting enough exercise (walking with you as his pack leader)?
I have 3 Shelties, one of which(Boomer) hates both the hair dryer and the vacuum cleaner...Cesar's techniques are working!!! I can now dry my hair in peace, and not wake up my husband! Now, onto the vacuum!!!
One more problem...Our middle sheltie, (Epiphanee) barfs in the car...No matter if we're going to the vets, or the dog park or around the block ... I have to stock my car with rolls of paper towel and disenfectant.. Any suggestions?
Thanks for everything, Cesar...
Sandy
Grandma,
If you can give some specific things that are going on, it may be easier to address the problems you're having with the puppy.
Here's what Cesar has said on this blog concerning puppies:
"The second you bring a new puppy home, start implementing rules, boundaries, and limitations so they understand what is expected of them from the beginning. Puppies are much easier to balance because, although some pups do show dominant tendencies, they don’t seek a leadership role at that age and would much rather follow. So no matter how cute they are, give your puppies proper rules from the get go. They will love you for it later."
You can find this thread in the archives from Feb. 8th, "Are the Rules Different for Puppies".
Have you got Cesar's book and DVD, "People Training for Dogs"? These are great tools to have besides the espisodes of the Dog Whisperer.
Let us know how things are going with the new pup and what it is exactly you're having trouble with, I know Maltese pups are so cute!
Sandy,
Are you sure the throwing up is anxiety related? This might be a case for the vet as I don't know that Cesar has ever addressed this issue. But, maybe somebody here has experience with this problem, it must be rough.
Good luck.
Sandy! I hope you watched tonight's rerun of DW! As for the car-riding barfer, could be an equilibrium thing like some children (human!) get when riding in cars. With humans, you can tell them to focus on the horizon instead of looking down. Can't do that with a dog, unfortunately. Perhaps a medium-length walk prior to every car ride may help? I know Cesar recommends that in his book, for dogs who are too excited on car rides. I do it all the time now -- if we're going to go anywhere, I walk them for about 10 minutes first. Calms them right down. I'm stumped as to what else to suggest for you, other than to make sure you serve no food or water prior to car travel. But you probably already knew that!
Sandy,lol there have been some episodes ready made for you!There are natural remedies available: valerain rootre, melatonin, rescue remedy, do a google in yahoo for dog whisper lists or well pet lists for more information!
Grandma, what was said about the exercise is really important with the walk but also there is alot of puppy stage to go through of just high energy. Do you think it is your own pain tapes or what Cesar says are the stories we tell ourselves. Do you have a support system to help you either with objective observations or the physical work of exercising the puppy? Hang in there we are pulling for you!
Please, if anyone has any ideas how I can get my 4 month old ShihTzu to stop eating her poop! Not only will she try to do that, she gets behind my 10 year old, and tries to get hers. I make a startling noise, and lately she's kind of getting the idea, but this is so gross, and I'm sure very unhealthy. This little pup even tries to conceal it in her mouth, and run into the house with it. I've never experienced this in my 15 years of owning ShihTzus. HELP!!
Frustrated in Texas.
I Cannot Wait for More New Episodes!!!!
I Anticipate Fri. @ 8!!! Like a Dog waiting for a Bone!!! :)
I am Very Sorry to Read about the Misfortune at The Rehabilitation Center....I Know That Cesar will take Care of it with the Utmost professionalism!!!
Nicole
Boy, can I ever relate to Frustrated Becky in Texas...
We have a toy long haired female chi and a Bichon(sp?)Tzu
male. Both are only 18 and 16 weeks respectfully and both
of them "feel the need" to get to their poo before we do.
Apparently it is more common than I knew, because after i
mentioned this "little" problem with my boss (another dog
lover), she enlightened me. I wish I also knew a way to curb this behavior, not only because it grosses me and any-
one elso who witnessed it out, but more seriously because of my concern for their health if it continues. Missouri
Pooper Scooper???.................
"One more problem…Our middle sheltie, (Epiphanee) barfs in the car…No matter if we’re going to the vets, or the dog park or around the block … I have to stock my car with rolls of paper towel and disenfectant.. Any suggestions?"
Try ginger cookies, or even just a small amount of fresh ginger. you can grate it and mix it in with a small amount of a tasty meat that they like.
Ha!! I am an expert on poop eating dogs (as you can tell I have self-esteem issues) as we once had a sheltie/golden who not only ate her own but found delicacies elsewhere. We were going nuts trying to figure out how we were getting cat litter in our toilet till we caught her swishing prizes in her mouth that she found in the litter box. She had some standards after all, she did NOT eat cat litter!
The vet told us to sprinkle Accent (msg) on everyone's food and it stopped immediately; it does something to take the yummy out. I don't know if you can still buy Accent, but if you google SitStay they have a product called For-Bid that is a combination of MSG and gluten. It doesn't affect digestion and doesn't harm them at all.
Hope that helps, I know how nasty that feels!
We just watched May 12, 06 episode. Apply much to our problem. We adopted a 3yo neutered male Boxer in Jan. from a rescue organization in Tx. He is wonderful with us, but hates bicycles and we never know how he will react to other people or dogs. We do have one biting incident which was thankfully only a scratch. We have worked extensively with him, and can usually calm him if we get too him before his excitement level is too high, but of course, we can't always. We are the 3rd owners for this wonderful, in most ways, dog, as well as 1 foster Mom 2 different times. We want to do the right thing, but it's hard to know the right thing sometimes. We worked with an animal behaviouist in Tx, but we travel full time in our motorhome, so can't see her now. We are in Idaho. We plan to be at the seminar in Austin on Dec 9, 06. We can't let him approach people until we are sure how he will behave.
Help us please.
Yahooooooooooooooooooo......I can't WAIT!
I dvr EVERY episode!lololol
Hey how about some cayenne pepper on the poop?
I got a rescue dog who threw up on EVERY car ride, sometimes more than once! I tried to take her in the car a lot on VERY short rides, like 1/2 a block, so she wouldn't throw up. Also never fed her first. Slowly she built up tolerance, and now she can go forever on windy roads no less. It took a few months I gotta admit, but I could see the progress as we went along.
Here's my follow up on the t-shirt idea for fear of thunder. We finally had a good thunder storm 2 nights ago and my friend tried the t-shirt on her 90 lb samoyed/ collie mix. He was going nuts at 3 am and she was desperately tired, so she put him in the bathroom as well.
Later she woke up to the sound of water running. The dog had locked the bathroom door (in his efforts to paw at the knob to get out) turned on the tub (by pawing at the lever) plugged the drain (by knocking stuff into the tub) and taken off the t-shirt. My friend had to remove the knob with a screw driver at 4 am to interrupt the self-administerd bath.
Oh well, I guess it would have been too easy if it had worked, but it did make for a good story.
Joanna,
Ha, ha, ha, great story!
Joanna,
Funny story! Thanks for sharing it. :)
Joanna,
Hahahhahaaaaaaaaaaa....I'm sure it was not fun for your friend but OMGOSH I laughed my tail off!!!! :D Thanks for sharing!heeheeeeeee....still chuckling
As regards the feces-eating dogs: my Lab/Coonhound eats my Lab/Shepherd's feces (but not his own!) and eats our cats' feces out of the cat box. He eats no other animals' feces -- in other words, none of the neighbors' dogs or cats, just those that live in our house, and not his own. I finally figured out that because he saw ME cleaning up the poops, and he is a dog who likes to have a job, he decided, all on his own, that he would take over the "job" of cleaning up the poop! He will RACE ME to get to the poop before I can. So, I have learned to be very clever and very fast. When the cat uses the cat box, I have to run downstairs immediately and scoop it out. Otherwise, he beats me to it. If in the back yard or on our walks, when my Lab/Shep poops, I have to get to it first and pick it up, otherwise he will try to pick it up. I've learned to stand between the two dogs and let my Lab/Shep do his business in peace, and hold my Lab/Coon's leash very short so he can't dive after it. Awful!! If they're in the yard, I have to run fast with the pooper-scooper. I think he sees it as both "helping me" (the "job" aspect) and also a game, unfortunately. Knock on wood, he seems to be perfectly healthy, and I manage to do the job before he can nearly all the time.
As for those dogs who eat their own, yes, there are products available at Petco and other pet suppliers that you can add to the animal's food to make it less appealing. I think it dissolves enzymes or something. Not sure how it works.
I have a only one problem with my 4 dogs. also i've seen cesar deal with this only once. maybe someone out there could remind me how to handle the dogs that bark at the doorbell, family that walks in the house, and any little sound that they imagine. besides that they know who is pack leader. Me! please help! thank you
it's called Coprophagia (eating feces). try googling it and you'll be surprise there's a lot of info about it. that link from college of vet med in Illinois says that "it's easier to prevent than to cure"
Bridgette, one thing I've been practicing lately is just to be incredibly calm when the dogs "react" to every little sound. I'll just say a very quiet "hey" if they start going ballistic at a doorbell or family member that walks in the house. If they escalate, I make sure that I don't escalate along with them. I'll change the "hey" to a stern, but quiet "go lie down" and I'll stand up and walk towards them (not follow them, you need to distinguish between following them and walking towards them as if you are "in charge"). Just a step or two, and then I stand tall near them and say "go lie down" and point to their "spot" where they're supposed to lie down. It's been working pretty well! If they hear a sound on TV like a dog or cat noise, or a doorbell or even bells on a game show (LOL!) I just quietly say "It's on the T.V." and keep doing whatever I am doing. I don't pick up on their same excited energy. I used to get "as" excited as they did at those times, but now I just stay close to ignoring them, but give a slight correction either in my body language, or with a quiet vocal command.
Hope that helps!
thanks k2-- your house sounds like my house exactly. we all would be so excited it was starting to get unbearable. i will try your techniques.
i have heard of dogs protecting their owner or stopping them from getting to far from the phone because they sense a medical condition like a heart attack. this actually happened to a friend of ours he had to call 911. in the dog world would they protect the dog pack leader. just wondering.
"i have heard of dogs protecting their owner or stopping them from getting to far from the phone because they sense a medical condition like a heart attack. this actually happened to a friend of ours he had to call 911. in the dog world would they protect the dog pack leader. just wondering"
Yes, they do exist and can be trained for that. The most common form of that kind of assitance dog is a "seizure dog" for epleptics. And, they can even be trained to CALL 911 - as long as you have a phone with programmable buttons so that one can be programmed with that number and the dog will then be taught to push that button.
Sandy,
I had the same problem. I crated my dog during transport and the problem was solved.
Hey! I had another "lightbulb moment" this morning -- and it was not something I learned from DW but from the South Park episode w/"Cesar" !!! At one point in the South Park skit, Cesar says "I'm taking a walk, and he's invited to come along." Ding, ding, ding!!! Bells and whistles went off in my head! Bingo! Now I get it. Jeesh, I can be so dense sometimes. Ewa and Bootsmutt and I were sharing about this on the blog the other day -- how you feel "obligated" to take the dogs for a walk, and every once in a while you'd like to take a breather from it all, but the dogs are in such a routine they just bug you and expect it every morning (for me, first thing every morning). And like I've said before, they go nuts when I pick up the choke collars and leashes. They get so excited. The first thing I started doing was "claiming the door" and "claiming the leashes", and that's toned down the excitement considerably. I also do the "shhhhh" and a finger poke or two during the excitement, all the while standing at the door. Takes me a while to set up those choke collars, unfortunately! But this morning it occurrred to me that I can project the energy of "It's time for MY walk. Are ya comin' with me?" Wow, something so simple. I tried it, and it calmed down the excitement even more. First of all, it was pouring rain here (for days! we have floods and everything!) so I just put them out into the fence yard early. When there was a break in the rain, I "claimed" my raincoat, "claimed" my shoes, and in my head kept repeating the "intention" of "Time for MY walk. Who's comin' with me?" That's another thing I've heard Cesar say 1,000 times -- "intention" and I never understood what he meant until seeing that silly South Park episode! ha ha ha My yoga teacher also talks about "intention" and now I get it for yoga practice, too!! I can't wait to keep trying this. It's great!!
Ugh, many of us have had the 'poop eater' problem at one time or another, but it really is not all that uncommon in the animal world (though disgusting to think about).
It may have started as a dietary deficiency, boredom or curiosity and for some pups it becomes a game "I grab it and my owners all of a sudden want to play chase with me!!! cool!!!".
For puppies that eat their own, check the brand of food you are feeding and consider going to a different food or adding suppliments. (Remember, large breed pups and small breed pups have different dietary needs and some "catch all" puppy foods are just not enough for everyone.)
For litterbox nibblers, consider a new litterbox with a cover or a self cleaning one... or placing the catbox in a place that the dog cannot get to, such as behind a baby gate.
There are also additives you can add to the pup's food that can make the... poop... taste horrible. (I know I know... how could it taste good to begin with?)
For the ones that use it as a chance to play "catch me if you can", instead of running after them or using a shaker can, have a treat handy (the most irresistable treat you can think of) and offer a trade.
Good Luck!
bootsmut, Doggone/GA, k2, SJS, (or anyone who has extensive knowledge on pinch collars)
Good Afternoon first of all! :)
I was thinking about getting a pinch collar for Roman, as he is going to be getting bigger and bigger as he gets older.
I have not purchased one for two reasons:
1.) I was waiting on the Illusion Collar to come out and more importantly:
2.) I am afraid to use it, as I do not know how and I also know that they can cause damage/injury if not used properly.
I have since purchased a smaller check chain (It's 24", in length)and it still falls down towards the bottom of Roman's neck, instead of staying up high where Cesar shows where to have a collar....and it is tight enough that it barely fits over his head, so there is no way to buy a smaller one.
Can any of you give me as much information and very precise information about a pinch collar, the proper placement on the neck for it, the correct size for Roman, and as much information on the collar as you can give me.
I am very wary about using one, as I am unsure about how to use it properly! I am not against using one, as you can see, but I do NOT want to hurt my dog. I believe there have been times that having or using one would be very effective, but again I will not buy one or use one until I can get someone to tell me EXACTLY how to use it.
Thank You in advance for all your input!!!!!! :)
Hi,,, I was wondering about the pug owners over there?!!! my puppy molly, is a good dog, she just get nervous around other people,,,like visitors and my two teens, who are not at home the most, and since other people talk to her like she was a baby, you can imagen how nervous she goes, like the case Of Prada, the Pom Cesar helped,,,, other people think I am mean for not talking to her like a baby,,, and they just dont get it,,, if you give an inch to Molly she takes a mile, believe me!!!!... so since most of the time she is only with me in the house, she is pretty calm, when is she going to settled down? she is just 7 months,,, and other thing, when I walk her at the park and I try to give her a soft jerk when she fixes her ears toward other dogs and birds etc, making her pull, and get out of the zone of walking, I have been told things like: she is so mean, or its just a little dog, God!!!! and making me feel very unconfortable. any thoughts?
KathyB-
There are all in one lead 'choke' combos that you can get at any good pet store, show leads are one example that can be used with smaller dogs, but in your case you can use one of Cesar's tricks until you find one for a larger dog... use the 'people' end of the leash! Just put it around the dog's neck and pull the clasp through the loop. (You might not have noticed it when watching, but look at some episodes and you will see that the clasp is in Cesar's hand.)
Choke collars do not 'rest' behind the jaw-line, but tend to hang loose further down, you have to place it there then keep it in place with gentle tension.
As for the pinch style collars, I have never used one myself, in the past I was always afraid that I would use it wrong and have seen people buy them to use in controlling large dogs that pull with no training or advice and cringe for their dogs because they can cause serious harm if used without knowledge.
Good Luck
Norma,
lololol....If it was ME I would reply with "you worry about you and yours and I will concentrate on training my dog thank you." That's just me though. I've heard a few things come out of people's mouth's, while out walking my dog or at the dog park, that have made me turn my head like a dog does!hahahahahahaa
My thought is two fold: Apply the six month rule...is this going to matter in six months? AND who CARES what others think....you know what you are doing for dog to grow up to be well balanced and happy, so don't let it bother you! You just keep being the pack leader and remember.....more than likely the people making the comments have very uncontrollable dogs or have no clue on how to properly be a pack leader.
Hope that helps!!!!! :) Also....Happy Mothers Day!!!!!
K2: How do you "claim" your raincoat, leashes, etc.? Also, how do you project "intention"?
I have a yorkie (Harley age 2) who runs around in circles as soon as she sees me grab her leash and I end up chasing her to put on the leash as she is so excited she can't sit still and my bichon (Winston age 17 months) jumps on people the second they walk in the door -- and i do mean jump!! My four nieces are scared to death of him and call him auntie's "bad dog". He's just happy and excited but I would rather he greet people calmly but I don't know how to do relay that to him. He also jumps on the kitchen counter and gets things out of the sink as soon as my back is turned. These things are unacceptable to me but I don't know how to tell him not to do it. Of course I tell him "off" and he will get off the counter but he will do it again as soon as he gets the chance. I am his third owner as others have found him too hard to handle. Can someone help me please ! Anne in RI
Penny,
Your last comment is EXACTLY why I have not purchased one yet....I want to know EXACTLY how to use it!
Actually yes I have seen Cesar do the backwards leash, but if I am in a situation that he is pulling, I would be afraid of not being able to hold onto the leash. It does not happen often, however when it does he is one strong dog!lol
A 100lb Rott is a lot to handle when he gets excited (which has been rare), and I also have to keep in mind that I have had two back surgeries, so that is another reason why I am a little afraid to try the backwards leash trick.....at least in the past, when he has gone crazy (playing or pulling to get to another dog that wants to play) and pulled, I had the end of the leash to hang on to, until I got him back under control.
Can you give me more info about the "There are all in one lead ‘choke’ combos that you can get at any good pet store"? Thanks for your input btw!!!!! :)
Hi there, Norma... I do not have a pug, but I do have an 18 month old chihuahua that is shy (was heading to shy agressive, but nipped it in the bud.)
I know what you mean with the baby talk... people see a cute little pup and their voices raise an octive at least and they can't understand that their high excited voice sounds to the pup like whining or high excited barking, which they might take as a threat. Gently explain that your puppy is frightened by high pitches and people grabbing for her, most people that care will stop.
As for those who get on your case for reprimanding you when you correct your pup on walks, ignore them. They are the same ones that buy small dogs as accersories and let the "precious little baby" cling to them like velcro and think it is cute when the dog snarls and attacks anyone who touches them when they hold the dog. They forget that even though it is a small dog, it is still a dog with all the instinct and need for self-control that any great dane or pit bull should have. They would not think twice if they saw someone walking a pit-bull correct the dog with a quick little tug on the leash to snap it's attention back to them but they will jump the owner of a "poor little defenseless" pug or chihuahua that does the same thing.
As for your kids, try to get them to go on walks with you and your pup, not only will you have more time with them, but the pup will get the bonding of the 'pack' walk and will feel more comfortable around them.
KathyB-
Unfortunately, I cannot post links here and do not think that the Blog will allow me to advertise for any one seller, but you can do a search on the internet, just type "slip leads" (keep the quotation marks, they narrow the search feild) into the search box and you will get sites galore.
Anne in RI,
I am not K2 but here is a trick I did (someone here told me how to do this) that worked in a matter of a day or two (if not less).
Your dog needs to realize that everytime you pick up the leash, it does not mean he/she is going anywhere. Mine would completely spaz out when I went to get his collar and leash, so what I did was to put his collar (check chain) on and after a few minutes (ten or so) take it back off and put it back on it's peg. I would do that off and on throughout the day and in a matter of a day or two he got it...that the leash or collar don't ALWAYS mean a walk.
Maybe take the leash and hang it around your neck (like you would drape a scarf around your neck and let it just hang there) and just walk around the house with it on, then after a few minutes (or until he/she calms down a tad), put it back or hang it back up and repeat the process a few times a day for a few days. If your dog does not calm down, then just do it without him/her calming down and you will start to see a change in a matter of days!
I have also mentally walked through in my mind EXACTLY how the walk will be, from walking to the door and getting Roman's collar and leash to walking back in the house and taking it off. It is AMAZING how doing that, the change in how he reacts now! He used to "buck" when I would try to put on or take off his check chain and now when I mentally walk through in my head the walk from beginning to end, it worked the very first time and has been perfect every time I do that!!! I also make him come to ME to put on his collar, not the other way around. Hope that helps! Happy Mothers Day!!! :)
Thanks Penny!!!!!
I will google it!!! :)
KathyB
I've used a pinch collar for 14yrs, first on a large pitt bull I had, now i train any new dog we get on it, & still use it regularly, a dog trainer recommended one. It's also has a choke feature in it. U can take it apart on any of the prongs instead of placing it over the head. You have to put it all the way up, otherwise they will still pull & that's when it can hurt their neck.It does slip down, but not as much as a choke chain. then just give a very quick snap up or side as you see Cesar doing on the show. It works great, without it, my shirley still pulls, but with it, she doesn't pull at all.
one more thought on the pinch or prong collars...none of my dogs have EVER got an injury from it, even when it slid down and they pulled me on it, nothing happened, it's not sharp, also it's big enough around their necks that it can be very loose without it sliding down too much, but it being loose, when they smell the ground & their head is down, it also slides back to position, if i see a dog / cat etc. coming, i adjust it to behind their ears. I used it on my rottie when he was a puppy, and he does not pull.you don't give a very hard "snap" on it, just so they notice, u have to experiment to see how hard to pull, also at the pet store someone should be able to show you, when i go back to the choke, or even the reverse loop collar, my dogs pull and there is alot of continued tention on their necks on walks, so i'm sticking with what works for me. I've had dogs where i had to put a harness on them, because they wouldn't stop pulling with a regular choke collar. let us know if you try it. u can also buy extra prongs to add/subtract to get the right size.
2.) I am afraid to use it, as I do not know how and I also know that they can cause damage/injury if not used properly."
They can't cause as much damage as you think, especially on a thick-necked breed like a Rottie. Think of them as "power steering" rather than as a "stronger tool." You use them the same as a regular choke collar, but instead of having to give a strong "snap" to the collar you might only have to give a short tug.
The big advantage they have, again especially for a big-headed breed, is that they come apart anywhere along the links, so you can fine-tune the fit, since you don't have to slip in on or off over the ears, you can just unlink it, put it around the neck and put the links back together.
I bought a prong collar about 4 years ago, for Blackie, my chow mix. I only uesd it a couple of times, as she learned very quickly not to pull. Since then the collar has just been hanging in the hall. One thing though, and maybe it happened because I didn't put the collar properly (too loose?) whenever she rolled (she likes to roll in the grass) the pieces came apart, and she was left without a collar.
k2,
I like your "revelation". Since now on I am going to go for MY walk, and invite the dogs to go with me.
I never used a prong collar, but I have been told you are actually likely to do LESS damage with it because it does not continue to tighten like a choke chain. The prongs turn in and then it stops. Supposedly it is even more like a "bite" correction to the neck than the choke chain. Try it on your arm to see what it feels like. I know there are rubber tips to go over the metal prongs too.
Bridgette,
The way I saw Cesar react to the dogs going nuts at the doorbell - 2 large akitas - was to use his classic "Tsst!" and cupped hand gesture. On the show the dogs calmed down immediately. One nice thing about this problem is that you can easily do set-ups. Just have a kid come and ring the doorbell every few minutes until you get it right.
I have a question to the more experienced dog owners here. Pretty soon I am going to be gone for almost three weeks. My husband is staying home, but since he's gone most of the day,I am sending one of my fighting dogs to a friend, so one of them will not have to be locked up all day.
So there will be two dogs in the house for a while. When I get my third dog back, will the things remain the same between them as they are now? Will she be accepted back right away (at least by the pit bullmix, the non fighting one,who is her best friend now)? Or can there be some problems? I would like to know what to expect.
"Or can there be some problems? I would like to know what to expect. "
There could be some problems. The best thing to do would be to bring them back together at some neutral place...neither your place nor you friends. Arrange to meet somewhere where you can both - either you and your friend, or you and your husband, walk the dogs together for about an hour. Start by one of you holding the 2 that stay together and the other holding the one that stayed at your friend's.
As you walk, start mixing up the pairs, and for about the last 15 minutes have one person walk all three of them together. Then take them home and walk them all around your house and yard together.
Ewa, I know, wasn't it a great revelation???! I love it when that happens!
Anne in RI (I'm Kathy in MA BTW! We're neighbors, sorta!) anyway, exactly what KathyB said is what I would've said too. Make like the leash is your possession, at other times other than just the walk. Also, it's like you have to have a little "attitude" behind it when it's time to go for the walk. I always try to imitate Cesar's body language from watching the show. Stand up tall, hands down at sides, shoulders down and relaxed, head up. So when I grab the leash, or the DOOR (that's another one) or my coat or shoes, I "OWN" those items. The door is a biggie. I stand right in front of the door, and set up the leashes. Then, before I open the door, I make sure I'm standing between the dogs and the door. I tell them to sit. Then I open the door. Since I also have a screen door, I have them sit again (if they stood up) and then I open the screen door. Then, at the top of the stairs, I have them sit again, and I go down first. I always walk out the door(s) first, and down the stairs first. This took me several weeks of daily practice to get it to work, so don't get frustrated. But it can be done. I just pitch a little attitude into my body language and "act like I own the place" or like I "own" the equipment. Strut your stuff even! I'm not kidding, it's amazing. I even did it at the grocery store today! Some teens were not paying attention and I had one of those hand baskets, but it was really heavy 'cause I over-purchased. Well, the kids were blocking the cashier's counter and it had nothing on it. I wanted to put my stuff on the cashier's conveyor belt. So, I "strutted" up to the line and plunked my basket down, all *tall* full of attitude! ha ha ha! I love that I can use Cesar's techniques in everyday interactions with people too! LOL!
Thank you very much Doggone. I think it is a great idea to start with a walk. Even though the two dogs fight now, the things overall with them separated are going well, and I don't want or need extra troubles.
I am a little worried about my pit bull mix. She is really a people dog, she thrives on human contact (unlike my two other dogs), and she spends most of her time playing with us (mostly the kids). I am leaving with the kids, and I know she is not going to get much attention at all during that time. Is there a way to prepare her for that? I can't just tell everyone to start ignoring her suddently.
Or maybe she's going to be just fine, and I am overreacting? I have never left my doggies for so long, so I worry.
I own a six year old coonhound and live in the country. For the past four years I was able to let him roam off-leash. He spent time in the woods baying and carrying on, and came back all tired out, wagging his tail and ready to lay around. I would like to have him in the house, but
my family doesn't allow dogs indoors, despite all my requests. Anyway, his "territory" has expanded over the years, and lately he has been bothering a local farm. I
am going to have to leash walk him. He is very good in the leash, but I am wondering if an active breed like a coonhound will be able to get enough exercise. I am reluctant to try rollerblades, because if by chance he got
a scent, and broke "heel", I could really get injured! He is a strong, 75 pound, athletic hunter! Does anyone have any experience with coonhounds?
Suzanne
"Or maybe she’s going to be just fine, and I am overreacting? "
She'll be fine. She will still have your odors around and she won't be totally alone. She might be a bit listless for a day or two, but after that she'll just take it that life is like this now.
Hi everybody, Happy Mother's Day! I hope that all of you who are moms got to spend the day doing something you love with people that you love.
I need help (or consoling, or something). We spent the day at a lovely park at a picnic that our son and his wife made for mother's day. They planned it this way so that we could bring our dogs and not cause me to be apart from them today.
At first everything was fine, we took a long walk then we had a lovely lunch with the dogs laying on a quilt in the shade. Bearing in mind that, up until now, when we're out with the dogs, we're walking and not allowing any attention to be paid to other dogs, we were unprepared for what happened when another family arrived and settled down about 30 feet from us. They had a boxer with them being handled by a maybe 7 year old girl. Moe the Pyr and Jassie the sheltie pup pretty much laid there and ignored everything, but Ana the crazy golden did a total nutty. She barked, she howled, she lunged and I swear this kid with the boxer was walking closer and closer to tease her while her parents ignored everything.
We repeatedly laid her down and the whole Cesar routine, and she'd finally relax, get up, see the boxer and start over again. I was ready to bite her neck for real!! We made her lay with her back to it and she fought us to turn around. The weird thing is, had that dog actually come over her tail would be wagging and she'd be wanting to make friends.
I KNOW we both forgot something important, probably basic, but we were all (son and wife watch DW also) at a loss as to how to make her stop. Finally the people left and we had some peace.
Does anyone have any advice as to how to handle this in the future? We'd appreciate anything you've got!
Hello All,
I just wanted to make everyone aware of Cesar and Illusion's series of seminars across the U.S.
My wife and I, and some friends attended one on Sat 13 May at Bentley College in Waltham, Mass. It was a benefit for the MSPCA.
The complete 2006 seminar schedule is posted at dogpsychologycenter.com.
The content of the seminar is basically the same as what Cesar presents on the DVD (though with many tangential stories, quips and audience interaction that is funny, endearing and spellbinding), but to be in his presence is a whole different experience. Illusion had to be very persistent in discreetly trying to keep Cesar on topic as she was the one watching the clock! I think he could have stayed and talked all night! And we would have stayed with him.
After his presentation he and Illusion stayed and signed copies of Cesar's Way and accomodated everyone's wish for a photo with this beatutiful couple!
Enough gushing! Needless to say, I encourage everyone to check the seminar schedule and make every effort to see Cesar and Illusion for the benefit of a shelter or rescue organization near you!
Stay Calm/Assertive!
Rick
Rick,
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. How fortunate you and your wife were to be able to attend.
I'm curious, having seen Cesar in person and listening to him speak about his philosophy, how would you answer his critics?
I have watched the DW since the very beginning, but until I got the DVD and his book I hadn't realized the full impact of what his philosophy is about. I'm wondering if by seeing and listening to him in person, does it further help everything "click". I hope that makes sense!
Thanks.
Susanne,
You can put a weighted back pack on your coonhound. This way he will get more exercise on your leashed walks. It might also act as a deterant for scenting because he will have a job, to carry that back pack. Try to keep his head up when you walk him (this might be difficult) to prevent scenting.
He's big enough to pull a cart. Same line of thought here, he will be less likely to scent because he will be working.
There are several good carting wesites out there. Some even have plans to build your own cart.
You should check with your Vet about the amount of wieght he should carry or pull. He will enjoy the job and it will tire him out.
My boy weighs 97 pounds and the Vet told me that 15 pounds would be good for him to carry. He likes his back pack and carries it with his head held high. We have just begun cart training and it is proving more difficult than I thought it would be but I'm the type of person who loves a project!
Good Luck!
Good Morning all! :)
Thank You for all the advice and information on the collar! I think I will take Roman sometime this week to the pet store and check some of the collars out.
Thanks Again!!!!! :)
Susanne,
we live around a lot of fields. my dog is part lab, my sister's is pure lab and both love following scents in the grass. we walk them first and then they are let go. but we have and still are teaching them the boudaries, how far they can go. it helps a bit that a fence separates them on one side from anyone elses property, but we have established boundaries for them both. they are both under a year old so they don't follow them perfectly but they are getting better. maybe you could show your dog a line and teach him not to go beyond it. just a thought to go with the other good ones that were given.
I love DW and have begun to read Cesar's book. I an the 2nd owner of a small terrier mix (I think) who has no manners at all. She takes me for a walk and when I let her loose in my yard--it's 5 acres--she runs away and will NOT come when called. She injured her leg while chasing rabbits in the neighbors barn and is totally uninterested in anyone until SHE is finished doing her thing. I don't know much about the 1st owners except that they did not abuse the dog but I don't think she had much if any discipline. We are adopting another animal from the local shelter who appears to be very polite. I hope Lilly learns from Chester. She is agressive towards other dogs EXCEPT old males and some old females. ANyone have any thoughts for me? I can't wait to finish the book and hope it is today so I can better understand Lilly.
Hi Norma,
I can relate. I find it very dificult to give my dog an effective correction in public. When I take my pretty little, elegant-looking Belgian Shep to school with me to pick up my son, I just can't seem to jerk on that leash in front of all those little kids saying, "Ohh what a cute puppy."
Loki totally takes advantage of this and pulls me up and down the school steps every time! I finally had to steel myself to do it, looking furtively around to see who was watching this lady be "mean" to her dog, and giving a little explanatory dialogue to anyone who might be listening - "C'mon Loki don't pull, you know how to walk politely...etc.
Doggone, we all got a good laugh out of your joke on the other thread, even though it was expunged! Can't figure out why.
Rick,
I am so jealous!! I live in MA, and by the time I heard about the Waltham seminar, it was all sold out. In fact, I was just logging into the blog this morning to ask if anyone went to it, and how was it... and there was your post! How awesome! I hope I can go to one either next time he comes to the Boston area, or somewhere else close by.
Suzanne,
I have a Lab/Coonhound mix. He's an intact male, and weighs 80 lbs. He is the SWEETEST dog in the whole wide world. Very sensitive to my emotions, and very perceptive about everything. He has always been able to be loose in our yard and always stays close to home. I've always had trouble walking him on leash because he pulls me down on the ground. But I've made tons of progress since watching Dog Whisperer. He does have a chase/prey instinct, and recently I've had to keep him (and my other dog) confined because they got into a scuffle with a neighborhood cat that cost me tons of $$ in vet bills. I walk him (with my other dog) twice a day for 45 minutes. That seems to tire him out. I don't know if you have that kind of time, most people don't, but I find that it really tuckers him out. The other thing is that he loves to play with toys and balls, so I try to do that as much as possible. He usually starts the game, in fact ha ha. We recently fenced in our yard, which makes it a lot easier because he can just come and go as he pleases and run around out there. I'll leave the dogs out there for 20 minutes in the a.m., and then we go for our walk. By the time we get back, they're ready to eat and sleep while I get ready for work. I like the suggestion that you use a backpack. I've tried that with my guy, and it helps burn off the energy. How come you can't be the decision-maker about letting him be indoors, if you don't mind me asking?
Did anyone else see Regis & Kelly this morning? Jeff Probst was co-hosting w/Kelly and he told a story about how he got bitten by a dog. It was a friend's dog and they had moved from east coast to west coast, and the plunked the dog in the new apartment with a bunch of boxes and left to do errands or whatever. Probst went back into the apartment to get something, and the dog (didn't know him very well) lunged at him and bit him. All I kept thinking about was Cesar's blog from a few weeks ago about acclimating the dog to a new neighborhood by "migrating" and walking with him before bringing him into the new house! Obviously, those people didn't do it!
I have a question I hope to get answered.
If you are using a choke collar, how old was your puppy when you first started using it?
Reason for me asking, is my sister's puppy is about 5 months old now, and she was in a pet store looking at some choke collars, when the owner told her the puppy is way too young for a choke collar.
I've grown up with dogs, and trained my dog when I was 17. Of course she was a perfect example of a spoiled rotten dog, but also knew who was in charge and only challenged me once when she was 7 mos old. We refer to that as our "hell week", because trust me; it was!
But after that week, she accepted the fact that she wasn't the leader and never challenged anyone again.
I honestly don't remember when I bought her a choke collar, so I thought let me ask people on here.
Use the expertise of Cesar's fans. :)
Have a great day, everyone. :)
Just to let you all know that it is so nice to have the civilized blog postings back. This is a free coutry, everyone is entitled to his or her opinions but one great thing about this blog was that everyone was very positive and try to help each other with dog problems.
I cannot wait to see more new episodes!!
Hi everyone,
My 8-month-old yellow lab, Oliver has been the model pup since we got him. I think I jinxed myself when I started telling people that he was the easiest puppy I've ever had. About 3 weeks ago, he started destroying things in the kitchen, where we leave him during the day. First, his crate blankets, then my favorite kitchen rug, and now his dog bed (dog walker just called and said, ummm, it looks like a foam explosion in your kitchen).
Some background: He outgrew his crate, so while we did leave him gated in the kitchen, we took the door off, so he could go into it if he wanted to. His blankets were still in there. We also had a big dog bed in there, as well as toys, including a couple of filled kongs.
His routine is: Wake up at 6:30 a.m., take a 1/2 hour walk/run to the dog park, where we play fetch for another 1/2 hour (he's sprinting pretty much the whole time). Go home, eat breakfast, I let him out to pee before I go to work at 9 a.m.(he never cries or anything when I leave because he has his kong). The dogwalker comes at noon. He goes out for another 1/2 hour walk. I get home at 5p and take another 1/2 hour - 45 min. walk, then dog park. I mean, we know he's high energy (we are too), so we love exercising him. It's seldom that we're not on-the-go somewhere!
This behavior JUST started and I thought I was doing everything right! He's not doing this when we're home Saturdays and Sundays. We do take him with us everywhere, so it's pretty fair to say he does get more exercise on the weekends (1-2 hour walk/run, swimming, etc.) Could it be anxiety? Boredom? Is he mad at us for leaving him during the day? Normal puppy-ness? Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.
THANK YOU!
LJ
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Me either! but thanks anyway!
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i had a great experience today. i walked with my 2 dogs down to the local car repair to get a business card for my son, i walked up to the garage where it was noisy, told my 2 dogs to sit, they sat patiently, a lady who was waiting for her car said she couldn't do that with her two dogs, she can't even walk both of them, her husband has to walk the one that's wild, i told her about Cesar & how before him, i couldn't have done this either, so she said she wants to buy his book. I regret not telling her about a few things to start like putting the collar up behind the ears, but i was sooo proud that i had the good dogs. soon as i feel in control with the 2 around "loose" dogs, we can add another dog to our pack!
forgot to ask...what's a kong, & where can i get one?
kong is a really cool stuffable toy. my pup loves his. i got him the puppy strength. i put part of his meals in it and you can see his mind working on how to get it out. it's a mental challenge and a chewing challenge. it helped with teething but he still has fun with it. they are really tough and will stand up to lots of abuse. there are different sizes and shapes, so you have choices as to which your dog may like best. i found mine at petsmart, but they are on a lot of different dog supply websites.
lj,
maybe some more experienced people can back me up but, at eight months he's hitting adolescence, right? from what i've seen of labs they seem to go a bit out of it from that time til some time passed a year. i think you just have to hang in there, keep reenforcing what you're doing. sounds like you're doing a good job. anybody else have other ideas? mine will be an adolescent soon and i would welcome comments too.
LJ,
I am definetly not one of the best to answer your question but I am going to take a stab at this and from what your saying is happening, it sounds like he is starting to have seperation anziety?????? Doggone/GA or K2 or the many others would know more than I would, but most puppies don't just start to do things out of the blue......at least I've never seen it!!!!!lololol
He isn't doing it when your home and it's started out of nowhere, so something is causing him to become anxious, or riled up or whatever you'd want to call it.
How does the dog walker leave the dog when they are done walking him....tired and happy or strung out and playful?????.........had a good long walk and was the follower in a pack or played with and high voiced let him walk wherever he wants to???? Lots of things to ask yourself and stuff to figure out why he has started doing this.
Someone who know a TON more than I ever will, will come along and know whats up! KathyB
Hi lj,
I have heard that at 9 months pups enter a newly intense teething stage. It sounds like you are giving him lots of good exercise and play, with a dog walker coming in midday to boot. I'm guessing he doesn't have any particular issues, and on weekends you are just keeping him too busy to chew up stuff.
How about just removing all destructible items from the kitchen and leaving him with a kong, a rawhide knot and a nice long, thick-walled marrow bone (my dogs spend hours on these trying to get out the marrow. I get them from the supermarket and give them right out of the freezer.)
I have also heard that labs in particular are very intense chewers when young. I agree with elbereth, sounds like you're doing great with that pup.
Hi everyone! Thanks for the comments so far! I think I will remove everything from the kitchen and the marrow bone is a good idea -- do I just go up to the meat counter and ask for one? They're raw, right??
He does bark quite a bit when someone knocks on the door -- wonder if the mailman is freaking him out. I'm sure CM has addressed this in the past...have to go through the posts or watch reruns.
It makes a bit of sense that he might be teething intensely. He is very mouthy -- and his breath is HORRRRRRRIBLE right now -- is that a side effect? I can't think of anything else it might be b/c I brush his teeth regularly and have been swiping them with puppy mouthwash pads from Drs. Foster Smith.
1st time on site. We have a 14 mo. old neutered male Golden. When we take him to the Bark Park, there seems to always be a couple of the male dogs who constantly attempt to mount him. Our Golden is very large for his breed, but is easy going. The first time we went to the Bark Park, one of the dogs was very aggressive with our Golden and then 3 other dogs joined in. Our dog seemed very confused by this behavior. Our dog held them all off for a long time, but finally submitted. This did not stop the aggressive dog's behavior. Our Golden did not express any aggressive behavior and he just gets up and goes back to being his independent self. He is quite strong willed and doesn't seem to be afraid of anything (not even storms.) Why do these dogs want to mount him and attack him?
jan/ohio,
one of my dogs-a 5yr male rottie(boots) is a great dog, he's more of a "people dog", but i also take him to the dog park. once in a while, he'll "mount" another dog, not all dogs, just certain ones, i tell him right away to "get off", he does, he also does this at home sometimes with our other dog,I tell him to get off, he does, what i learned about this behavior is he wants to domiante. since i've implimented Cesar's methods, he does it less. Since it's not your dog that "mounts" do the owners there do anything about it? are u able to ask them to control their dogs? I would ask in a polite way for them to keep an eye on their dogs. I've also observed that the 'weaker" dogs are the ones other dogs bother, I still have alot to learn, but it seems to me that if you can make your dogs project more confidence by being pack leader, the other dogs would leave him alone. I hope others can give you some more insite.
jan) cant explain the behavior of the other dogs without getting a feel for the whole situation, but at least the problem isnt with your dog
heres my problem: i have two mutts, well my parents do. being the last child to head off for college, my parents are the caretakers of the dogs. they are loving, dogs with lots of energy who listen most of the time. however, they dig. alot. our backyard is comparable to the moon's surface, its terrible. we can never catch them in the act and we dont know how to discipline them afterwards. weve tried stay away sprays, covering the wholes, yelling at them after they dig, and even creating a special place where we prasied them to dig while ignoring any other digging behavior elsewhere. nothing worked. my parents would give up both dogs to a good home if they could find someone who would take them both. this is entirely unacceptable for me. and the only problem they have with the dogs is the digging. any ideas? i cant lose these two members of my family over an issue like this. thanks in advance for any comments.
Sarah,
Having experienced Cesar's energy, committment,and instinctual knowledge of dogs in person, on DVD, and in print, there is no need to answer whatever criticisms may be aimed at him.
My only guess is that those who disagree with his methods do not know the man, have not bothered to learn who he is and how he learned what he knows. Personally, I wonder if he wasn't a dog in a past life.
How can one argue with his admonition to treat a dog like a dog and his assesment of their hierarchy of needs. Fulfill those needs in the proper order and you'll have a balanced dog.
I suppose some could disapprove of specific a technique he may employ to rehabiltate a dog with agression or phobia or whatever, but those are his methods, they work for him, they do not harm the dog, and they're based on natural pack leadership roles. He said several time during the seminar that he's not advocating "His Way" or no way. Whatever works to restore balance and calm submission, "Go for it". But he's proven his methods and techniques, based on canine psychology, pack mentality work for him.
As for the the material "clicking" at the seminar, we, watched the show both seasons, watched the DVD multiple times, read the book and listened to the Audio CDs of the book, in an attempt to internalize all that Cesar presents, especially the natural presentation of "Calm/Assertive", in an effort to reclaim "Pack Leader" status in our household. It works, but we need to work at it every day. So the material had pretty much "clicked" with us prior to the seminar. But being with and interacting with Cesar and Illusion was like a shot of adrenaline, helping us to recommit to the job we have to do for the sake of our dogs.
Rick
Rick,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and answering my questions, I really appreciate it.
"My only guess is that those who disagree with his methods do not know the man, have not bothered to learn who he is and how he learned what he knows."
I have found this to be so true. I've yet to encounter someone who disagrees with his philosophy that has taken the time to understand fully what it is he advocates. Most of the critics are usually just parroting what they've heard elsewhere, imo. And the part that he stresses that his way is not the only way escapes most if not all critics too, which I find interesting.
"But being with and interacting with Cesar and Illusion was like a shot of adrenaline, helping us to recommit to the job we have to do for the sake of our dogs."
I'm not surprised to hear that. It's his devotion to the "sake of the dogs" that impresses me most.
Thanks again for sharing.
Bootsmut
Thanks for the response. Fortunately, the owners of the dogs who were trying to mount Dakota did take control of their dogs. However, the owner of the aggressive dog did not take control of his dog and I had to ask him to do so. Other people at the Bark Park have also had a problem with this owner and dog too.
I'm just confused because our dog seems to be a very confident dog and the Vet says he is a dominant(108.b) male. This is my first dog in 25 years and my first Golden so I'm still learning a lot -- especially from Cesar. We went to his seminar here in Columbus last year and I would recommend it to everyone. He's amazing!
LJ-
I admire your dedication to the dog's exercise schedule!! One of my dogs was the same exact way. He shredded everything for a few months. Addressing exercise is definitely a big part of the puzzle, but mental disicpline was a large part of my dog's problem. Now we give commands before they eat and also before we leave the house. I'm in the middle of reading "Cesar's Way" and thought I'd share that with you.
We also reward with raw meaty bones (frozen),they're a great source of calcium for the dogs and if you're not too grossed out by chicken or turkey necks you can freeze them and give it to him for snacks.
That could be the answer to "bad breathe" but talk to your vet as it could be an internal message of something else.
Not sure what you're feeding him, but retrievers generally speaking do real well on raw meaty diets if that's something you're open too.
Brad
I appreciate the comforting words about the Bark Park situation.
As for the digging problem with your dogs -- the first thought that comes to my mind is the thing that Cesar always talks about -- excercise them to a calm/submissive state of mind before they are put into the yard. And, have you tried to hide some treats/toys in their special digging place in the yard? Hopefully, others who know much more than I do about dogs can provide some good information so that you won't have to give up your dogs. It's obvious that you love them.
jan/ohio,
I've taken my male 100lb. Rott (he is 14 months old now, and this was when he was about 12 months) to the dog park twice and in both instances another dog tried to start "trouble"...first time was trying to mount mine, the second was a smaller dog in a crowched position in an attack mode...BOTH times I TOOK CONTROL!....not to be rude to the other owners but I want MY dog to have a good experience at the park and if another person's dog is going to act in an unhealthy way towards mine, then I will take control.
I am the one who would be the one to get blamed, since I have the "bad" dog (Rottweiler) so I make sure to stop ANY occurances that may or could turn bad.
Both times, the owners did and said nothing, or made the comment of "all you have to do is tell him no", which is when my dog was trying to be mounted (Roman will NOT allow another dog to dominate him, so I saw the & heard the low growl from him, which made me step in), I of course looked at the lady like she had three eyes!lololol All I did was use the "shsssssssst" noise or the other noise my trainer taught me.
I do NOT think it is unreasonalble for you to stop another dog from doing anything to yours, to create a negative experience for him. If the owners don't like it, tell them to hire a trainer to get their dog under control. :)
Also......mounting is a form of dominance. Mine will try to do it, but he is IMMEDIATLY stopped. KathyB
Hi all,
Just got done reading. Here is my 2 cents from a current Rottie owner and an owner of a former "red-line" Rottie who turned out to be the best dog I ever owned.
1. First for those who disagree with Cesars' training, a word from my German mother:
"I'm not here to be liked. I'm here to raise you to be responsible, productive adults."
We loved our mother more than anything!
And a word from my Native American father:
"Mother Nature always wins. Don't try to fight her, work with her."
Just love him to death too.
2. Poop eating. My dog did it. Had him first checked by a vet and then tried OTC remedies. None of the OTC remedies seemed to work. Then I "claimed" the poop as Cesar says. It took about 3 months of seriously claiming the poop before he stopped completely, but he finally got the idea. Believe me I looked totally silly standing in the middle of my yard "claiming" poop. The neighbor kids were fascinated.
3. As for thunder, I have found Turid Rugaas' "On Talking Terms with Dogs: Calming Signals" absolutly invaluable!! And it so compliments Cesars' work. I act the calm pack leader like Cesar says and use Turid's calming canine body language.
4. Collars on Rotts. I'm a little girl. My Rottie weighs as much as I do. Haltie head collars are my friend. It holds their head high like Cesar likes, and just the slightest tug gets the desired result. I've tried them all, and this works best for me. Now the first few times I put it on my puppy, I held a treat to lure his head through the opening and kept feeding his face for a few moments after. This makes it a pleasant experience. You will probably experience a few temper tantrums when you first start using it.
Cheers,
Rowdy Rottweiler
OMGOSH......I AM SO PROUD OF MYSELF!lol :)
I took Roman for his walk and there is an un-nuetered male pitbull on our route...most of the time the gate is closed and the dog is nowhere to be seen...NOT TODAY!lol
Not only was he around but the gate was WIDE OPEN....I saw the situation about 50ft away, but kept going on our walk/route as normal (I know the pitt is not quite a year yet or has just hit a year, having had a small conversation a month or so ago with the owner) and I stayed calm/assertive while keeping an eye on the Pitt....as we got closer I could see him getting "interested" in Roman and KNEW he would be charging soon (if to play or whatever) so as soon as he barked and started charging I stepped in front of Roman, pointed at the dog and made my VERY LOUD growl noise. Stopped him dead in his tracks! :) He and I kept eye contact and I stayed in my "I AM IN CHARGE AND DON'T GO THERE STANCE", until the owner came running through her front door and started calling her dog.
lolololol...I have NO IDEA what Roman was doing during that time, but not until AFTER the Pitt was behind the fence and barking/chasing the fence line did Roman start acting up, but man it RAWKED being in COMPLETE control!lolol
(Kathy pats herself on the back! :D heeheeheeheehee)
I know we cannot give links to websites so I will not do so, but if you google: prong collars there is an EXCELLENT link called prong collar info that is VERY good!!!! :)
Hi lj,
From my experience with my chewer (yellow Lab/Shepherd mix), I strongly suggest picking up everything you can think of and putting it out of reach. I always shudder at the memory of the DW episode where the dog ate a scatter rug and had to have surgery to have a quarter of the rug removed from its intestines. Scary stuff! The dog does not know any better. When my dog was little, he chewed everything in sight when we left him alone. I never used a crate or a baby gate. I started walking him 1-hour twice a day immediately when I got him (he was 4 months old when I got him). Your routine sounds similar to mine -- and lucky you with the noontime dog-walker! At 8 months, if I remember correctly, he was still chewing up anything he could get his mouth on when we were at work. I'd come home to find hardcover books in teensie, tiny little pieces strewn about the house. He ate my boyfriend's shoes one morning when we tried to sleep late and shut the bedroom door! He'd even tear up socks! Everything!! So, what I did was start picking up everything and putting it out of reach. His way of thinking was, "anything on the floor, is MINE". We also had to make sure all closet and cabinet doors were securely shut, otherwise he'd open them and tear up things! He'd get into the trash, or get ahold of a box of tissue or toilet paper and it'd be in shreds everywhere! He even chewed an ant trap and I had to call the poison control# printed on the bottom of it! (he was fine). He didn't swallow stuff much, just shredded it to bits and would toss the little pieces everywhere around the house! I was lucky that he didn't swallow stuff. Eventually, he simply outgrew it. But I also got a second dog around that same time, so maybe the company stopped him from chewing.
One thought that popped into my head while reading your post -- is there any construction or anything going on in your area? Even down the road or elsewhere in the neighborhood? If there are noises that upset him, he may be destroying things in an effort to escape, thinking he'd be safer somewhere else. These sounds may be happening when you're at work, and by the time you return they're over and done with. Also, the construction guys could be taking their lunch break at precisely the time the dog walker arrives. Something to look into, it's an idea anyway. All of my Labs have had fears of very strange things: balloons, kites, outdoor lighting fixtures that seem to "float" in the sky. Anything in the sky seems to make them really flip out -- thunder, lightning, fireworks especially. And loud noises, too. If you can keep him occupied with the kongs or safe bones to chew on while he's alone, that will certainly help.
Bootsmutt, during DW every so often you'll see the Petco ad where the two Petco employees are "riding" on a big red rubber thing -- that's a Kong. But the real Kong is small enough to hold in your hand LOL!
Sorry I can't help with the mounting thing - my dogs are always the ones doing the mounting (LOL!) Ugh. But at least I am getting better at stopping them. Now, I use the Cesar "foot tap" works like a charm!! Just one teensie little tap is almost all that's required and he stops mounting. Don't know if I'd recommend doing this without the permission of the other owner, though! how to start WWIII at the doggie park!!!
I had another revelation today! I've been using the choke collars on both dogs. Meanwhile, the prong collars that I once used are hanging on a hook in the kitchen, unused. After reading everyone's posts from yesterday, I was thinking about the prong collars, and it suddenly occurred to me that I can use the prong on one dog, and the choke on the other! (Lab/Coonhound is still pulling a lot!) I mean, they're not twins that I need to dress alike ha ha ha.
Hi Everyone!!!
HELP!lol
I just bought a prong collar (the check chain was NOT working and no matter how small I got it, it keeps slipping too far down on his neck), and the lady at Petco would not help me size it correctly on Roman (yes…I even brought him with me!lol). She said that Petco ONLY does positive something, blah, blah, blah and she could get fired by helping me to fit the collar.....made no sense to me but ok.lol
She told me to "get with my trainer and they will you help you fit it properly".
Can any of you help me fit the collar correctly please, as I do not know when my trainer(s) will be able to come over and I would like to start using it tomorrow!?
Your help would be SO appreciated!!!! :)
Yayy! I've been totally hooked on all Cesar's episodes and not too mention the book. Wow, what a great book! I'm learning so much stuff from it. Well, just wanted to say how happy I am with, The Dog Whisperer!
Kim
Hi Kathy,
Sorry I didn't see your post. Wish I could edit my old one (sorry for double posting). Here's a great site for fitting the prong collar: (Moderator's Note: Outside link deleted). (It sounds to me like you have to remove some of the links)
Make sure you don't let it sleep down his neck, it should fit right behind the ears. Whenever I go to a pet store or just see people walking there dogs, they have the prong collar all the way down on the neck and the dog walking in front of them.That is definetly the incorrect way to walk with the prong collar/dog.
Hope I helped you some!
Kim
Kim,
Thank You!!!!!!!
Great site in showing how to fit it correctly!!!! :)
Kim,
I got it!!! :)
Man I'll tell ya, those suckers are tough to get un-hooked!lol I should have taken more time to see if they had one with a quick release, BUT I have a feeling that after a few days I won't need a quick release!lololol
I read on another site that I should have 1/2" of space between the prong and my finger, but the site you gave me is much more detailed and MUCH more helpful in sizing it on Roman!
Again THANK YOU so much!!!!!! :)
"It sounds to me like you have to remove some of the links"
Yes, you keep taking out links until the collar just lies on the neck, but does not dig in. And it's always going to slip down a little. Unless you keep a light tension on the lead, any collar will slip down. Hence Cesar's "Illusion" collar, which isn't really so much a collar as a neck harness designed to keep the real training collar up where it belongs.
Doggone/GA,
I have been on the "email waiting list" for the "Illusion" collar, and cannot wait to purchase one!!! In the meantime after the two experiences today (one with the pittbull and tonight at Petco) I have decided that I cannot wait and will purchase the "Illusion" collar also, even though I have bought a prong collar.
I can't wait to see the results as the "check Chain" was frstrating and also slipping too much when I needed it not to the most!lol
:) lololol....I'm confused again!!!!!
I have been reading up on my new prong collar and keep reading the following: "As a safety measure -- Some prong collar users will put an additional slip or buckle collar on the dog and thread their leash snap through the rings of both prong and the second collar -- so if the prong collar comes loose for any reason, they still have control of the dog."
What the heck are they talking about??? YES....I can be a little slow at times and have read this and another paragraph on another site and STILL can't figure out what type of collar they are talking about and more impotantly how to attach it to the prong collar. I'm VERY confused!lol
Is this other collar they are suggesting even necessary???
KathyB,
I think they mean to use another collar with the prong one. I said before that each time Blackie rolled in the grass (and she wore prong collar only a couple of times, she learned very fast not to pull) the prongs got disconnected, and Blackie was left withour a collar. You don't want your dog collar-less when the other dog, or cars come by.
KathyB
A trainer that helped me with my dog (17 month old flat-coated retreiver; rescued at 9 mos) said that I should get plastic tips to go on the prongs (available at PetSmart and I'm sure Petco). the tips keep the collar from falling apart. You have to leave on set of prongs without the tips to be able to open and close it.
to all those who were talking about the problem of poop eating. many years ago a vet told me to feed my 3 poop eating dogs (two german shepherds and a golden/irish setter mix) a small amount (somewhere between a teaspoon and a tablespoon) of crushed canned pineapple daily and they would stop...and they did. I recently told a friend whose tiny poodle was doing it, her dog stopped also.
I didn't have to feed it to them forever. I don't know if it made it taste too bad (how could it taste worse??) or corrected a deficiency...but it works and is cheap!
that's "you have to leave ONE set of prongs without the tips..."
Susanm
Thanks for the info...so helpful!
lj,
About your marrow bone question: My supermarket sells them as "soup bones." I give them frozen and raw. It makes for quite a long term project for the dogs to dig out that fozen marrow, especially if you get a nice long one, like 6 inches. I did have an older dog who had digestive problems with the raw ones and I had to microwave 'em for a minute or two.
I am definitely using this as an activity for my pups, with the pouring rain and my busted toe. With my one-year- old shep, less walking = more chewing!
How are you surviving up there in Mass. w/ all this liquid sky K2? I hear it is even worse by you.
To the person who asked about choke chain collars on a 5 month old pup: I never heard that this was "too young." I think you can tell what is too harsh. If your dog is vigorously pulling you and not responding to correction on the buckle collar, you need to up the ante a bit. Remember, a few effective corrections are worth hundreds of yanks.
kim, thanks so much for that link. my sister has one for her lab, but now i see it is sitting too far down. he listens to it mostly, but if it were in the right position he would probably listen better and have less chance of something happening to him.
Now that the link has been eliminated, here is my question. Wouldn't it be OK to provide the same information but not in hot link format? (IE go to blahblahdotorg to fit a collar)
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Yes.
Great info about the prong collars everybody. I put my prong collar back onto Hector this morning, but it was too far down on his neck, I know. I have to take a couple links out, but man it is difficult to get them off! I used to use the prong collars when the dogs were younger, until a well-meaning friend said they appeared *cruel* and that made me feel bad. After that is when I started being dragged down on the ground! I was thinking this morning that if the prong collar comes apart, then Hector will be loose, and then I came here and saw KathyB's post about hooking the two collars together. Ingenious! Just what I needed, as usual! I learn so much from all of you, and from Cesar! (KathyB, I think they mean to take the clasp of your leash and hook it to both the metal circles on a regular buckle collar and the prong collar. Hard to describe in words! LOL! Did I say it comprehensively?!)
My friend who had to euthanize her dog last Friday has been toying with the idea of getting another dog already. I just sent her an email quoting Cesar's chapter on bringing a new dog into a "sad energy" house -- her family is devastated right now. There've been a couple of DW episodes where out-of-control dogs were added to a family/pack when the family was in mourning and the dog senses that there is no pack leader, and they take on the "job". My friend watches DW, so hopefully she will heed this advice and wait a while. It's too soon, and she is hurting so bad. I feel so sad for them. She said her house is so empty without their dog.
K2,
I'm so sorry for your friend. It's heart wrenching to lose these wonderful creatures we come to adore so much.
I too hope your friend heeds the good advice you've given her via Cesar. We lost our very, very beloved dog in a violent manner last year, she was attacked and killed by a wild animal. It tore us to shreds. I know exactly how your friend feels, I wanted to get another dog almost right away, but thankfully we waited a bit, it doesn't always have to be a long time either.
The main thing is to understand what a "sad energy" is and knowing how to deal with it so another dog won't experience the effects of a sad energy. We only had to wait a month before bringing in another dog and I'm happy to say this little guy is a joy and is a happy and content fellow.
Your friend has my deepest sympathies and if she's having a hard time dealing with the grief I could recommend a web site that will help, I know it did me. It's a place to express your grief and recieve the understanding and compassion so needed at a time like this.
I found that not everyone understands the intensity of the pain when losing a beloved pet.
Looks like the poop's really hitting the fan! :D
Grandma: Don't know what issues you're having, but a lot of people think because a dog's little it doesn't need much exercise which isn't the case! It may be that you need to get some professional help with the dog if what you're trying isn't working. The biggest things I can say that works is to remain calm, but keep that assertive attitude. My parents are in a similar boat. They had a really laid back retriever/chow mix, but my mom wanted another yellow lab. They had labs before, but that was over 20 years ago when they got them as puppies and so they grew up and matured as my parents got older. Well I helped pick out a really cute puppy from the shelter, but I felt guilty later as we found she was EXTREMELY hyper (and this is coming from one who owns labs!) I suspect she was the product of a puppy mill (dewclaws were removed). I've never seen a dog with seeming ADD before, but she's it. Even on medication she could and did pull my parents down when on leash if she saw something. She's gotten a lot better (at 3 years old), but if I had thought about it I would have encouraged them to get a different dog (they're around 80) that wasn't so active. Also they don't have the assertive thing down. Dad tends to get impatient and yell and mom's voice just doesn't care enough weight and they don't have the calm assertive attitude. I know that's a big part of it because she listens to me and totally melts into a puddle of happy puppy goo around my husband who has a commanding presence. They do faithfully watch the shows and have her exercising (supervised) on a treadmill. One thing about her is she is fearless and loves the treadmill.
Regarding the litterbox and "cat chocolates": The only thing I can add is this reminds me of the same type of problem as any of the episodes that deals with obsession. If you're having to "race your dog" to the litterbox, then obviously you're not the pack leader! I would watch some of the shows dealing with obsessive behavior and how Cesar takes "ownership" of things like toys or parts of a room. Take ownership of those litter boxes. That's your cat poop and he can't have it! LOL! And maybe use a favorite treat or toy to reward when he stays where he's supposed to when you go to scoop. I have an invisible line where the dogs aren't to go past to where the litter boxes are and it's worked out pretty well. Keep in mind that whelping mothers often eat their puppy's poop because that's the way they would do in the wild to clean out a den. Sometimes that makes them get a taste for it (all in mother nature's plan, I suppose, but disgusting none-the-less.) I don't know if the cayenne pepper would work--might just give it seasoning. :D I had a greyhound that was NUTS about hot salsa--didn't phase him a bit. Makes you wonder why we spend so much time picking out fancy dog foods, doesn't it? :D
Does anyone know if Cesar has worked with Siberian Huskys ?
I am looking for some fresh perspective from you dog people out there. My 12-year-old son plays this game with our 1-year-old Belgian Shep that consists of running wildly around the kitchen dodging chairs and such, with her jumping on him and grabbing at his pants, tail awaggin' and fake growling. It is a scene of joyful reckless abandon, but...is it bad conditioning for the pup? It involves 2 forbidden activities - jumping and mouthing.
She will stop on a dime if she is told to, and is respectful in all other ways. Should I let them have their fun or am I courting bad habits?
K2,
Profound sympathies to your friend. I just found out last week one of my cats is in kidney failure. This not long after finding out one of my dogs has Cushing's. (My dog is doing pretty well and should be around for some months hopefully; however, we're keeping our cat comfortable and she's eating, but I don't think she'll be around much longer.)
I totally agree with your (and Cesar's) advice to your friend. I've seen too many people on this show who rushed down to find a new pet after their beloved one died. And then they end up calling Cesar because of behavor problems. No pet can replace the loss of another. You've got to have time to grieve and move on, even though that's a painful process, it does no good to try and avoid it by getting a new pet. Because the new pet will just remind you of the other pet and you'll end up making comparisons (and of course you only remember all the good or cute things you old pet did.) That's not really fair for the new pet to have to live up to impossible expectations. Also you tend to pick out the dog you feel most sorry for--like the one cowering in the back cage out of fear--and those are usually the ones that end up with behavior problems.
We lost our very wonderful Rottweiler about 3 years ago. What did make it easier is I have multiple dogs and cats (3 of each at the moment). I can't imagine having one animal, losing it and then coming home to an empty house. I realize that isn't for everyone, but you can't stay sad when you've got others to take care of or a nice, purring cat in your lap. In our case, we waited almost 2 years before I felt it was time to get another dog and ended up with a lovely rottie/lab mix. Also I could time it to where my other dogs were older, but not too old to have a new friend.
Joanne said, "Should I let them have their fun or am I courting bad habits?"
No, Joanne, I believe this could be very bad conditioning. Dogs all have (more or less) a prey drive. Your son is bringing out that prey drive by running around and letting her chase him. (Always teach a kid to stand still and not run if a strange dog comes up to them. Running makes a dog want to chase and possibly attack.) Your son needs to be seen as a pack leader and the fact that she's jumping on him and nipping him says that she doesn't view him that way. Plus she's a herding dog, so she's going to have a strong instict to chase and nip.
Why not have your child learn other sports he can do with his dog such as frisbee, flyball or obstacle courses and of course, obedience. Those things will give her plenty of activity and exercise that she needs and will see your son as a pack leader instead of another "pup".
JMO.
"She will stop on a dime if she is told to, and is respectful in all other ways. Should I let them have their fun or am I courting bad habits?"
Will she stop if your SON tells her to? If not, work on that until she will. Also, she is getting to the age where she will begin to want to know which of them is dominant. I would suggest starting to let your son work with her on her training - even teaching her some tricks maybe.
Get them both to where he can stop in the middle of the game and tell her to lie down, and she will do it. I think the game is fine, but they BOTH need to learn some control.
Sarah and Cheryl, Thanks! My friend was grateful for the info from Cesar's book. We talked, and she said Cesar's advice is totally right, that she wanted to get another dog to make herself feel better -- but that's no reason to get one. I think they're probably going to wait a little while. She'll know when the time is right. Cheryl, I did the same thing -- I got my Lab/Shepherd about a year before my black Lab passed away. Plus I had about 6 cats at the time! Since my puppy was young, I had no choice but to deal with him and be responsible to him and the cats after Timba passed. I've always had multiple pets, so I can't imagine coming home to an empty house. It must be awful! As much as we get frustrated and overwhelmed sometimes with all the pets, it sure beats the alternative.
Rhonda, #108, I can't recall any DW episodes with Siberian Huskies. But Cesar often points out that behavior problems do not have very much to do with the specific breed. What's happening with your Siberian Husky? Maybe some folks here can help.
Rhonda
I beleive that Cesar has one in his pack, but I don't think there have been any episodes with Siberian Huskies. Why do you ask?
~Chantel
Good Morning, everyone...
I have a little problem that might become a big problem and I need some advice...
Loki (chi service pup in training) went with me to my doctor's appointment with me as he has done since I got him on monday and everything went as usual until someone came up (as they tend to do) and bent down to 'baby talk' him, (When people baby talk they tend to raise the octave of their voice, making it a high squeaky excited voice) and Loki growled!
He has never done this before and I corrected him immediatly, but I need opinions and help in nipping this in the bud asap.
I know that Cesar states that small dogs should not be in the lap at all times because they grow defensive there and I do not know if Loki felt my tension because I have to constantly stop people from reaching out to him unasked or if he was trying to 'claim' me, but I have a unique problem with this... part of Loki's training is to stay calm and in a 'down stay' in my lap when we are in public so that he can get my phone from my purse for me if it rings or a pen from my purse if I need to sign anything, ect. When we are moving I will alternate having him heel beside me and laying on my lap depending on the situation. (In large crowds it is safer for him to be on my lap, he is only 7 inches tall and can be stepped on or kicked by people who try to squeeze past my chair or push my chair out of their way because they are in a hurry... yes that happens more often than you think.)
It was after much thought and research that a chihuahua was chosen to be my service dog, I have nerve damage in both hands and arms and cannot hold the leash for a medium or large size dog so most service dog breeds would not work for me and I found that chihuahua's are extremely intelligent and quick to learn, so we chose a chi to be my working partner.
Any suggestions would be most welcome.
Penny,
Since you are in a unique situation and need Loki to be on your lap for a good part of your interaction time, I would say correcting him anytime he growls should let him know you find that behavior unacceptable. But I'm sure others here are more experienced with this.
Hi Penny,
I think it is an amazingly cool idea to have a Chi for a service dog. I think yr doing the right thing based on what I've seen Cesar do on his show. When he had a show about a little dog who wouldn't let anyone get on the bed next to his owner I THOUGHT he would say, "That dog should not be on the bed!" But no, he just insisted that he could sit on the bed with an arm around the owner with the dog right there. Same with the show about the woman who kept the Chi on her lap on the couch. He corrected with "Tsstt" or neck grab.
It seems to me that Cesar would approve of your corrections and that he would have people approach you again and again, each time insisting that the dog remain calm and accepting. After all, you have a unique situation. This dog IS going to be on your lap a lot, but he should never feel that he is allowed to "protect" this space. It's still YOUR lap!
Good luck with your ground breaking project.
Thanks to those who helped me "own" my yorkie Harley's leash. Harley is now calmer and doesn't automatically think it's walk time as soon as I pick up her leash.
However, I STILL NEED HELP WITH WINSTON: Winston is an 18 month old neutured Bichon who weighs about 18 pounds. I am his third owner. I have had him since January and though there have been small improvements in his behavior, for the most part he is still behaving badly. He is very hyper, jumps on everyone, jumps onto the kitchen counter, gets into the kitchen sink, walks on the dining room table, etc.. I at first kept him in the kitchen with Harley but he can jump over the gate! I hate keeping him in his crate when I am working but for his safety I must. Just this morning when I came out of the bathroom there was Winston on the dining room table. I stood over him and pointed for him to get off which he did but he shouldn't be doing that in the first place. Does anyone have any tips on how to get him to stop jumping on anyone who first enters my home, stop getting onto counters, tables, etc... Winston is very affectionate and has been to school but I really wonder if he has some sort of mental deficiency. His behavior is very similar to Marley's in the book "Marley and Me".
Help!
Anne in RI
Hi Doggone and Cheryl B.,
Thanks for your thoughtful feedback on the topic of kids rough housing with pups. I guess the main conflict is between the idea that Cesar promotes; that we should always elicit calm submissive energy from our dogs, and the general tendency of kids to want to play wrestling, tug-of-war, chasing games with their pups.
I have to admit I have very fond memories of playing like this with my collie dog as a child (before we knew anything about Cesar.) We even had a special raggedy old coat to wear when we wrestled. She was a sweet non- aggressive dog, and it never led to anything more.
It just seems more like "play drive" than "prey drive." It's not even nipping (which I hate,) more like open mouthed poking and "arrr" ing, like when she plays with our other dog.
I think I will try to combine the mastery of the down command like Doggone suggested for my son and his pup, to end this game. Right now they just end the wild play when my son stops jumping around and cradles the dog's head in his hands. Both of my dogs ARE obedient to the kids. Even My 8-year-old can put them in a sit/stay when he feeds them their supper.
I will also try to use more of Cheryl's ideas for positive play (I WISH I could teach her to catch a frisbee! That would really be cool. She just waits til it hits the ground to fetch it.)
Thanks again for your ideas.
hi Joanna,
My pit bull mix plays the same way, not only with my kids, but also with my husband. I was a little worried in the beginning, but now I just let them do it, as it never leads to anything dangerous. The pit bull mix is very sweet, and would never hurt anything.
Anne,
Two of my dogs jumped on the table, but after ONE time of us yelling at them (hey, get off that table right now!), they never did it again. I don't know why your pup keeps doing it. Do you excercise him in the morning? That might help.
Penny: I would suggest calling the place where you got the service dog from. They might also have some good suggetions since service dog training is a lot different from just training your pet.
And does Loki have a orange service dog "vest"? If not, I would see about getting her one so that people know she's not just a pet. I would also be sure to quickly correct any well-meaning person that your service dog is on duty so please don't talk to her. I wonder if what freaked Loki out was not the voice, but that the person was probably standing over her (and you) since you were sitting down. That's a dominant position and she may have felt threatened.
And it probably did pick up your vibes too. There is an episode this season where Cesar works with a woman who was training her dog to be a service dog because the woman was prone to panic attacks. This woman was worried her dog wouldn't pass his final test because he reacted when another dog came around. And yup, it turns out SHE'S afraid of other dogs, in particular pit bulls. So Cesar gave her a "pit bull party" with Daddy, Popeye and several others. In getting over that fear, it made her more confident and after the dog passed his test, she even wondered at the end if she would need to use her service dog.
"Thanks for your thoughtful feedback on the topic of kids rough housing with pups. I guess the main conflict is between the idea that Cesar promotes; that we should always elicit calm submissive energy from our dogs, and the general tendency of kids to want to play wrestling, tug-of-war, chasing games with their pups."
Sure...but that doesn't mean you can't play with them! Heck, even the dominant dog in a pack will unbend sometimes and play...especially with younger dogs that are not yet of an age to challenge his status. Right now, your dog and your child are roughly the same age physically and they both want to play.
You just need to work on making sure the dog does understand that the child is dominant. Shouldn't be hard!
Anne: How much exercise does Winston get? And not "backyard time" but real walks? Bichon's are pretty active dogs and being cooped up all day, I can see why he goes bananas when you come home. I'm all for kenneling (better than having an eaten couch), but it sounds like your dog may need serious walks in the morning and possibly the evening as well to get rid of all that pent up energy.
"I guess the main conflict is between the idea that Cesar promotes; that we should always elicit calm submissive energy from our dogs, and the general tendency of kids to want to play wrestling, tug-of-war, chasing games with their pups."
Hi Joanna,
I don't think Cesar means your dog has to lay around all the time. But it's exercise, discipline and THEN affection. Play is just another form of affection and of course you should play with your dog. Cesar throws balls, takes the dogs on hikes, rollar blading and even takes the pack down to the beach.
Being that your children can control your dog make me feel better about their roughhouse play with her. So many times I've seen ADULTS that once they start playing (like the poodle who like to play with the soccer ball) they can't get the dog to stop unless the wrestle the ball from it and put it away. Which of course, shows they're not a pack leader.
Cheryl B: I'm sure you are right about Winston not getting enough exercise. What do you consider a "serious walk"? I often take Winston out with me roller skating and playing ball but it has rained here in RI for the last 10 days. I did take him out for some ball chasing last night in the ball field but the ground was still very wet so we didn't play long. When I work I need to leave the house at 6:15 am. Winston is such a drastic change from my yorkie. Lately most walks are around the block (about 10 mins). The evening walks would be easier to accomplish than the morning walks. Any more advice for us?
Cheryl B-
I did not get my service dog pup from any service dog agency (all the ones I contacted informed me that a chihuahua could not be used as one, which is false) and he has a blue vest with two patches SERVICE DOG and IN TRAINING, I also have a T-shirt I wear when we are out and about saying that yes he is cute, but he is in training, please do not pet, but I do not wear it to the doctors.
I do tell people when they approach that Loki is in training and cannot be petted or interacted with because it divides his attention and he needs to learn to focus on me no matter what happens around him, but sometimes I just don't get the chance. I also have cards that Loki carries in a pocket of his vest that explains the following:
'I am a Service Dog
In accordance with the American's with Disabilities Act of 1990.
This person is accompanied by a Service Dog- an animal individually trained to preform tasks for people with disabilities. Service Dogs are working animals, Not Pets.'
On the reverse it gives the number to the US Dept of Justice ADA Information Line and what buisnesess can and cannot ask.
Loki is only 18 weeks old and has a long way to go in his training, but he is already learning to help me in many ways... I just do not want his growling to progress and want to nip his fear agression in the bud. (Our trainer is on vacation.... arrgghh... and will not be back til Sunday.)
Hi Anne, Glad we were helpful with the "owning" of the leash thing. That is the neatest "trick" I've learned LOL!
As for Winston, yes it seems like he's not getting a disciplined serious walk. You're exercising him, but the exercise you describe is "excitement-provoking" exercise (playing ball). The rollerskating is great, though -- Cesar uses that a lot for tiring out excited dogs. It should be a "serious" walk, with you leading and him following (on leash if you have to), followed by the rollerskating and/or the ball playing. Structured walk first; then vigorous exercise or excitement/play. Do you have Cesar's book "Cesar's Way"? The beginning of the book focuses on the importance of the daily (or twice daily) "structured" walk, with the human as pack leader and the dog(s) following -- 30 minutes minimum. A way to shorten the 30 minutes is to make him walk on the structured walk wearing a doggie backpack. You can get them online, just search Google "dog backpack" and you will find tons of places to order them. Just put a bottle of water or something lithe in the pack. Having the pack on gives him a "job" to do, and makes the walk more strenuous for him so you can walk for shorter periods of time. Basically, he needs structure and discipline. It is really good that he gets off the table as soon as you tell him to. That means he's not trying to dominate by being "higher up" than humans. Cesar recommends walking all your dogs together as a pack, with you as leader. If you can do that, it really works much better than walking them separately. It can be tricky, but take it from me, it can be done. I do it every walk now -- I almost never take them separately anymore. Try to read Cesar's book if you can -- it is an invaluable source of information -- and of course the show Dog Whisperer -- the season 1 DVD comes out next week!!
Hi, Joanna!
I agree with what others have already said.
Tug-of-war, chasing games and wrestling are not advised for puppies and young dogs. It encourages the prey drive and also teaches dominance and the dog can develop issues as it grows up.
It seems to me that the games you're describing are not situations where your child "Wins" over the dog on a regular basis. And, as a human and a pack leader, winning a game is part of establishing and keeping your status. If lower-level pack members start winning often, it signals to them that they are moving up the ranks.
Keep in mind that games like tug-of-war are used as a reward when training police dogs and sometimes S&R dogs- it simulates the "kill" a dog would usually get as a result of hunting.
Tug-of-war should only be played with adult dogs who need a bit of confidence-boosting, self-esteem enhancing activity, OR with adult dogs who have already learned who is boss AND the human must always win the game (as in you always end up with the tug toy, you start the game when you want, stop it when you want and that toy is only used for tug and is put away where the dog can't have it anytime he wants, otherwise, if he is the one with the tug toy in the end, and/or even after you have ceased the game, in his mind, he still "won" and that fosters his status being asserted higher up the pack order.
Wrestling is discouraged, for alot of reasons. Most of them being that somewhere down the line somebody is going to get hurt on accident and it will either enforce the dog's sense of it's own strength and ability or put fear into the person who became hurt.
Dogs wrestle with each other and can usually read each other's body language and signals and sort out any disagreements if something escalates. That is how they are able to wrestle pleasantly, in most cases.
They can lose their tempers -just like children playing together. Somebody decides they don't like what somebody else did to them and retaliates, or cries. If one dog interprets another's push, nibble or pouncing to be too hard and carry more intent than it was meant to, a brief fight might break out, unless the cry of pain is responded to and play becomes a bit gentler.
Dogs wrestling with humans can get overexcited in much the same way and end up accidentally biting too hard or carrying a game too far.
Every case study I've read recently of dogs abusing, disregarding or bossing their female owners happens to also be a case where the dog regularly wrestles with the male human in the pack.
Chasing encouragess the dog to initiate chase games when you don't want him to- like when you're trying to call him indoors, or take away something he shouldn't have- because being chased is "fun" for the dog. Anytime he is running away from you, he thinks you both are playing a game, when you (at least) might not be...
Fetch and retrieve games, hide-and-seek, and hide-the-toy are all games that are just as much fun, while teaching dogs good skills at the same time. Dogs learn through play, just like they learn through regular, structured training sessions. It's really a matter of what you would rather teach your dog.
You might consider helping your child set up mock dog activities similar to things like agility or lure coursing if they just want to have fun burning off energy together. Also, books on games to teach your dog can be fun- Roy Hunter has two Fun Nosework For Dogs and also Fun and Games with Dogs (or something similar to that).
K2, Cheryl, and anyone else: Thanks for the tips for Winston. I will start the "serious" walks this evening. One more thing: How do I stop Winston from jumping on anyone who comes into my home (myself included?). I keep telling him to "sit" but he is so excited he doesn't listen. I come in the house calmly and don't aknowledge him at all. At "school" I was told to turn my back and fold my arms when he jumps but he just jumps at my backside! Help me please!!!!
PS: I attended Cesar's seminar in Philly in March, I have Tivo'd all the DW episodes, and I have purchased his book (haven't read it yet though). I am a true believer in Cesar's "way". Hail Cesar!
Dear Anne in RI,
Sounds like you have been doing the correct response towards Winston when you come home. NO LOOK/NO TALK/NO TOUCH. But sometime that's not enough. Something that has worked also with my dog was to nudge her off me with my knee. Not hard where it could hurt her and send her across the room, but just enough to let her know that that action was not appropriate.
As far as handling Winston when someone else comes into your home you might try putting him on a leash. Keep Winston close to your side. Put him in a sit/stay position. Greet your guests. As soon as it looks like he might jump, correct him. Take a few steps back from your guests turn around and bring him back. Put him in a sit/stay position again. Tell your visitors NO LOOK/NO TALK/NO TOUCH until he calms down sufficiently to allow him to approach them.
Better still, have practice sessions with family and friends. When you feel he can be off leash to practice this just walk towards him saying, "Back Winston, sit/stay". Block him from the door. You OWN the door. Block him from your guests, you OWN the guests. You don't even have to open the door, just have someone ring the doorbell a couple of times and practice backing him up.
Do this as often as possible.
You say they told you at school to turn your back to him.
They're right to an extent, but the backside pays dearly for this action when your dog won't respond to this procedure. I would suggest that you just keep moving around. Change your clothes, start getting things ready for supper, when you get to the point where you want to scream; put him in the back yard. If you have one that is.
Only kidding!!!! They can certainly try your patience but hang in there.
Doggone says: Right now, your dog and your child are roughly the same age physically and they both want to play.
In spite of all the warnings from others, I really resonate to the above statement! It was like, "Yeah! That's it!"
It speaks to my own experience as a child with a similar temperment gentle, female dog. (My son is rambunctious but gentle as well. There is nothing really ROUGH going on.)
I will take all the warnings to heart though, and make sure we continue to be very firm on the "drop its" "enoughs" and "downs," especially with my son giving the commands himself.
I will also look up the Roy Hunter books you suggest KCC. Sounds intriguing. I am always looking for new challenges and tricks for my dogs.
(My 3 boys on the other hand, while interested in some training, are generally looking for that unstructured goof around experience.)
I appreciated hearing about your experience too Ewa. It's nice to know someone else out there is in this zone with some comfort. (And incidently, you guys are really changing my minds about Pitbulls here on this blog!)
KCC, hi,,, I read about playing with dogs, I have my puppy pug, she brings her toy to play fetch, but she doesn't leave it, she wants to play tug a war, and I follow: "bad human" hahahaha... well when she starts to growl, I growl even harder and she leaves the freaging toy! ... what other things can I play with her? how you play hide the toy? ... she use to have a toy, a pink little bear,, but as she spend lots of times chewing it, it really worn out, so I threw it away, she also has a little kong and I put a treat inside. she has a plastic chewing bone that is very strong. I give it to her and take it away when I think she is to violent with the bone.
Has anyone heard anything more about the Ilusion collars? Did the first batch already go around?
Hi, Norma!
"hide the toy" is fun!
You start out "hiding" a much-loved toy in plain sight and encouraging your dog to "find it!". For every time she "finds" it she gets a few moments to play with it, then she must bring it to you or put it down so you can "hide" it again. As she gets good at "finding" it, you start partially hiding it (peeking out from under a rug, on top of something low so she can see it, etc...).
Work up to letting her see you "hide" it completely and when she's finding those well enough, start having her stay in another room while you hide it (go back to in plain sight and gradually work up to fully covered) again. When you start that phase, let her sniff your hands after you've hidden it while telling her "find it" so she can start learning to hunt for the toy by scent instead of just using her sight alone.
Enjoy!
We would love to be on the show or talk to someone about our dog's behavior. We have a pharaoh hound who will be 4 this June. He's got a horrible barking problem as well as jumping problem. We are pregnant with our first child and I am approaching 6 months. Due to this, we are really concerned about our dog's behavior and would welcome any free advise.
Well, the reason i ask is we have a 4mo old puppy.
she's a very good girl... but i have been warned that this is a very difficult breed.. and will only obey when they see the point.
she's great with house training its coming along nicely
she knows how to sit ,lay down and come when she wants to and is not distracted ...however, she see's my husband as the alpha and my daughter and i as the littermates when playing she's very mouthy/nippy we tell her No Bite! and hold her mouth closed but she's right back at it again 10 mins later.
R. Pasqualone...
Hi. I'm not sure if this will help you or not. I copied this part of the live chat with Cesar that NGC sponsered. If you haven't already, I'm sure everyone here would recommend you read the book, watch the DVD, and tune in at 8:00 on Friday nights !!!!
"Sita: Cesar, what's the best way to stop a dog from barking?
Cesar_Millan: A dog that barks excessively is actually asking for challenge. If you can find time in your schedule to challenge him more often, that will make him more tired. Excessive barking to me means a frustrated mind.
"nancyaul: Cesar, I have two five-month-old boxers. I walk each dog 35 minutes a day. They are extremely well behaved, but when someone comes to the door they jump all over them, though not aggressively. Do you have a suggestion to help me keep them from jumping?
Cesar_Millan: We can start by telling our guests: No touch and no eye contact with the dogs. Make sure you are in a calm, assertive state, and if you need the assistance of a leash, use the leash. Those are some of the things I can suggest without seeing your dog. But if you know that one of the dogs is more intense than the other, I would address the most hyper one, because once you control him, you create a ripple effect.
Good Luck !!!!
please don't let the kids or anybody else to play tug of war with any kind, breed of dogs. a child was killed last year in Long Island, NY. the child was playing w/ their 70 lbs golden when the dog playfully latched onto her scarf and pulled until it strangled her.
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Rhonda,
I think I agree that huskies are challenge. I have a husky mix, and out of my three dogs she is the one who is most work. She walks the best on the leash, but off the leash she can be trouble. She charges and snaps at some dogs and people, she is unpredictable. She also can jump the fence or dig under. In the park I can let my other two dogs off the leash and relax, with her I have to keep my guard all the time. But she is very loving and loyal towards me, and I love her very much.
"We would love to be on the show or talk to someone about our dog’s behavior. We have a pharaoh hound who will be 4 this June. He’s got a horrible barking problem as well as jumping problem."
I know that Cesar advises not to blame the breed for problems with your dog, but it does help to KNOW your breed and know what is normal for that breed and what isn't. Pharaoh Hounds are night hunters. They hunt after dusk for rabbits in their native land. It's what they are bred to do. ALL night hunters bark, and bark a LOT...that's how their human partners can keep track of them and where they are.
To be perfectly honest, I've known maybe dozens of Pharaoh owners over the years - from pet owners to big time breeders, and NONE of them has ever been successful in getting their dog's to stop barking. It's just the nature of the breed.
I saw a show about the Wesminster Dog Show a few years ago, and they interviewed the owner of a Finnish Spitz. The interview was on the floor of the show, and the dog barked through the whole interview. The owner commented that he couldn't make him be quiet because the breed barks when they work and his dog considered dog shows to be work. The breed's nickname is "The Barking Birddog"!
One thing you can try, is teach the dog to bark on command...get a "control" in place. Once the dog knows that command, then if he barks without being commanded you have a legitimate reason to correct him.
As for jumping, do you mean jumping up on you...or jumping out of the fence?
"please don’t let the kids or anybody else to play tug of war with any kind, breed of dogs. a child was killed last year in Long Island, NY. the child was playing w/ their 70 lbs golden when the dog playfully latched onto her scarf and pulled until it strangled her."
Sorry, I don't agree with this. The REAL problem in this situation is that the child and the dog were playing unsupervised. Dogs are not baby-sitters.
I just got the CUTEST email & I know all of you will love it!:
TO: GOD
FROM: THE DOG
Dear God: Why do humans smell the flowers, but seldom, if ever, smell one another?
Dear God: When we go to heaven, can we sit on your couch? Or is it still the same old story?
Dear God: Why are there cars named after the jaguar, the cougar, the mustang, the colt, the stingray and the rabbit, but not ONE named for a dog? How often do you see a cougar riding around? We dogs love a nice ride!! Would it be so hard to rename the "Chrysler Eagle" the "Chrysler Beagle"?
Dear God: If a dog barks his head off in the forest and no human hears him, is he still a bad dog?
Dear God: We dogs can understand human verbal instructions, hand signals, whistles, horns, clickers, beepers, scent ID's, electromagnetic energy fields, and frisbee flight paths. What do humans understand?
Dear God: More meatballs, less spaghetti, please.
Dear God: Are there mailmen in Heaven? If there are, will I have to apologize?
Dear God: Let me give you a list of just some of the things I must remember, to be a good dog.
1. I will not eat the cats' food before they eat it or after they throw it up.
2. I will not roll on dead seagulls, fish, crabs, etc. just because I like the way they smell.
3. I will not munch on "leftovers" in the kitty litter box, although they are tasty.
4. The diaper pail is not a cookie jar.
5. The sofa is not a 'face towel'. Neither are Mom and Dad's laps.
6. The garbage collector is not stealing our stuff.
7. My head does not belong in the refrigerator.
8. I will not bite the officers hand when he reaches in for Mom's driver's license and registration.
9. I will not play tug-of-war with Dad's underwear when he's on the toilet.
10. Sticking my nose into someone's crotch is an unacceptable way of saying "hello".
11. I don't need to suddenly stand straight up when I'm under the coffee table.
12. I must shake the rainwater out of my fur before entering the house - not after.
13. I will not throw up in the car.
14. I will not come in from the outside and immediately drag my butt.
15. I will not sit in the middle of the living room and lick my crotch when we have company.
16. The cat is not a 'squeaky toy' so when I play with him and makes that noise, it's usually not a good thing.
And, finally, my last question...
Dear God: When I get to Heaven may I have my testicles back?
Did anyone else see Jeanie Mose's (sp?) piece on CNN tonight? It was about dogs being able to READ!! They'd hold up a big flashcard with the word SIT in 6-inch letters, and the dog would sit. Then, one that said SPEAK, and he would bark. Then, one that said DOWN and he'd lie down. I kept thinking -- it's the human communicating with ENERGY, and the dog is "listening" to the human's energy!
Cesar
MY NAME IS JEREMY. I LIKE TO WATCHING YOUR SHOW THE DOGWISPER ON FRIDAY NIGHTS AT 8:00 EASTERN TIME. ITS FUN WATCHING. I LEARN ALOT HOW TO GET ALONG WITH MY DOG MAC CAMP. I LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR SHOW AGAIN THIS FRIDAY NIGHT.
JEREMY
Yeah, I can't imagine the dog is actually reading. The dog has just learned to respond to a certain stimulus (the sight of the letters) and can discriminate between the different stimuli. There also may be subtle cues (like the energy also mentioned) that the dog is paying attention to or even subtle body movements that the trainer does not even realize they are making when they show a certain card like moving their body slightly forward etc. Dogs are amazing at reading very subtle body language.
Sarah
Check out an article in Newsday online for 17 May, titled "A tough Love Dog Whisperer spurs some yelps"
It addesses the possible motivations of Cesar's critics, ENVY being a possibility. I especially liked the last paragraph.
Give it a look.
Rick
great find cesarisawesome, i was just browsing this morning and saw your post, how tragic. my heart goes to the parents of this child. an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. if you can't supervise the child all the time then don't teach it.
Unfortunatly most people don't know that "tug of war" is not just a game to our dogs, but it is to us...I agree completely that a child should not be left unattended with a dog, HOWEVER we are talking about a really weird freak accident!!!
A family dog is just that, and if I was to have raised my dog as a puppy around my child, I would not think twice about leaving my little one unattended with my dog, as most wouldn't! This tragedy is not the "norm" and my heart goes out to the parents.
I agree Kathy. That was an unbelievably tragic freak accident. I feel terrible for that family, but you might as well outlaw scarves. Dogs WILL play tug without being taught. My 2 dogs play it with each other. Almost all dogs love shaking rags (or scarves.)
To Cesarisawesome: I think the lesson is to supervise. Telling my 5ft 7in 14-year-old son (who never wears a scarf - in fact he goes barefoot in the snow!) not to play tug with our submissive obedient 40lb shep is NOT the answer.
We use seat belts and bike helmets and try to do everything right, but we can't forsee every possible circumstance! Of all the dangers out there in the world, this has got to be one of the least likely!
KathyB,
The email was very cute. I had to smile.
k2,
Maybe our dogs are smarter than we think, and can read, lol.
My autistic son cannot read the way we all read, but he "reads" a couple houndreds words by knowing how they look like. Maybe that's how the dog reads.
I watched once Pet Star on TV. There was a dog who could mutiply and add small numbers. He would bark the answers. The owner just asked him without anything written on paper. All the time I thought the owner was giving signals, or something else, but then the dog turned around, and was asked by judges. He got all answers correctly! Not only he could distinguish between "plus" and "times" but he didn't make even one mistake!
I need help with my female boxer! She is a little over 1 year old and recently has been pulling me on our daily walks! I find myself getting very frustrated with her to the point of not wanting to take her with me and my other boxer (male 3 years old). She is getting daily walks of 30-45 minutes. I practice good leadership in the home and she does really well in the house. But as soon as I pick up the leash to take them for their walk, it's like she snaps. Last week, she was pretty much attacking me (and I have bruises up and down my arms from her biting me). It's like she's terrified to leave the house! And as soon as we get anywhere near the house, she tries to drag me back home. Oh, and her tail is between her legs the entire walk. And it only takes one car passing by us, or one person outside to send her into the pulling-mode.
What I'm doing now (and it's not working!) is stopping her everytime she starts to pull, making her sit, then starting again. And I feel like I'm going to hurt her with all the jerking on her choke chain (well, it's the nylon choke chain, with only a little bit of metal at the top for snapping). Does anyone have any suggestions to get over this hurdle with her?
"watched once Pet Star on TV. There was a dog who could mutiply and add small numbers. He would bark the answers. The owner just asked him without anything written on paper. All the time I thought the owner was giving signals, or something else, but then the dog turned around, and was asked by judges. He got all answers correctly! Not only he could distinguish between “plus” and “times” but he didn’t make even one mistake! "
Of course he didn't. If you watch it again, VERY CAREFULLY, the owner IS giving him a signal. She pauses in her breathing when the right answer is tapped. All "calculating" animals are getting signals from someone. If you put them in an isolation room and ask them to calculate, they can't do it...because they can't see anyone and can't get any cues as to when to stop tapping, or nodding, or whatever they do.
Kathy B.
That "To God" e-mail was cute & funny! I think a couple of my dogs wrote that !!!
Rick,
I wasn't able to read the whole article, it's for "premimum members only". Drats, I was looking forward to reading it.
Can you copy and paste the last paragraph here, or does that infringe on copywrite laws?
I've been saying all along that "envy" was at the bottom of most of this nonsense we hear from his critics. Then we hear the parroting of those criticisims from individuals.
Sarah
I'm not sure you were at the right site as I'm not a premium member. Actually I set Google news up to alert me by email of any news related to Cesar. The Newsday Article came to me that way.......Anyway if you go to newsday.com and enter Cesar Millan in the site search box on left you'll get the article.....However, here's some excerpts..Authored by Denise Flaim
"Envy factor"
You don't have to have a degree in psychology, human or otherwise, to see what's behind the current Millan bashing, says Marc Goldberg of the Chicagoland Boarding School for Dogs in suburban Chicago, who gets referrals from Millan and uses a spectrum of training techniques, from food rewards to "taps" from a electronic collar.
"There's an enormous envy factor at play here," says Goldberg, who credits Millan with heralding a "new world view" of dog behavior and tackling tough aggression cases that otherwise would be euthanized. "I've never had clients call me up and refer to dog trainers, famous or otherwise, like they do with Cesar Millan."
But the appeal goes deeper. Matter-of-fact and plain-spoken, not averse to using the rod if he feels he needs it, Millan's an antidote to the "fur kids" philosophy that's taken root in the past decade or two. In this age of supermodels posing with their pugs on the cover of New York Dog, of Internet boutiques that sell boas and barrettes for declawed trendsetters, of Prada dog carriers that cost more than a mortgage payment, perhaps we yearn for a simpler time, when men were men and dogs were dogs and Lassie didn't go to the spa or snack on carob-oatmeal cookies.
And perhaps Millan's assessment of our nation's dogs - overfed and underexercised, out of touch with their instincts and neurotic in their personal relationships - holds a mirror up to ourselves. Tough love, indeed."
Rick
Rick,
Thanks for posting part of the article. I'll recheck and see if I can get the whole article up this time. I did put in Dog Whisperer and the first few lines of the article appeared..hmm, strange.
"And perhaps Millan’s assessment of our nation’s dogs - overfed and underexercised, out of touch with their instincts and neurotic in their personal relationships - holds a mirror up to ourselves. Tough love, indeed.”
BINGO! Bitter medicine indeed for some to swallow, but wow, is that ever on the mark!
We're turning our dogs into ourselves..poor dogs!!
Cesar is further cemented into my mind as the best thing to happen to dogs since I don't know when, maybe ever.
Cesar is going to be on Oprah Monday May 22 (per a promo I saw yesterday). It looks like he will be helping Nate, Oprah's designer, with his pooch/pooches.
Anne,
Thanks for the "heads up"!
Annie in RI
GingerC pretty much took the words out of my mouth. I will add also it might not be a bad thing if you have a dog bed or spot you can lead him away from the door. This is to teach him that he's to go there when company comes. At first no doubt you'll have to lead him there. Later you can just point (I prefer using that "psst" noise that Cesar uses to get their attention) or say, "Go to your spot." Practice doing this with a friend or spouse pretending to be a guest. Plan on this taking a LOT of repetition with a leash on until he knows you mean it. Even then he may test you occasionally. I think those walks will help calm him down too. Like the other person suggested, I would walk him 30-45 minutes.
I heard the very same thing as you about turning your back on jumpers. Some dogs that works with, but others it won't. Grabbing their paws and holding them only gives them the attention they desire, too. One of my parent's dogs is VERY hyper, but when I come in I demand my space and don't talk, give eye contact or pet her until she calms down.
Speaking of Oprah..tomorrow she has a show on miracles, one of which revolves around a dog who had both his front legs removed and walks upright on his back legs!
These wonderful creatures are so amazing!
"Speaking of Oprah..tomorrow she has a show on miracles, one of which revolves around a dog who had both his front legs removed and walks upright on his back legs!"
There's a video that crops up on Animal Planet now and then about what they call a "Greyhound", but which I think is an Italian Greyhound that had both legs removed on the same side of his body...and belive me, you have to look CLOSE to realize he only has two legs!
Montel Williams had a dog on his show that had no front legs. It was like a Viszla, same reddish coloring, but it could have been a mixed breed or something. It was an amazing, amazing animal.
Kathy G:
there was an episode on DW about a dog named "Julius" a pit, who was afraid of going outside & the owners had an awful time with taking him out, try & find that one. also about kids & dogs. when my 4 kids were young, we had a collie mix named Oreo. she was the smartest dog we've ever had.when my oldest was 2, he got out of our fenced yard, i ran around the streets looking for him, there he was about 4 blocks away.Oreo was right by his side. We used to tell Oreo to "go out front with the kids" & she would watch over them, keep them from wondering past our house, we walked her without a leash too. She was a great dog.With our current dogs,Boots-our 6yr old rottie,& shirley, our now 17mo.old boxer mix, our grandkids came last jan.walked into the house(4yr & 17mo) & our dogs were wonderful with them.Our rottie loves people,even strangers but doesn't like other dogs too much.We were thinking about our next dog being a rott-all the ones we've met(@ the dog park & neighborhood) are all mello people dogs.does anyone here have a rott? are they the same way?
forgot to mention..(sorry) when we brought each of our 4 children home from the hospital,the first thing we did was let our dogs smell them.we didn't know about slowly making the kids be pack leaders back then, but our dogs knew from the beginning.we'v been lucky, or just had realy great dogs.our kids always played rough with the dogs, even now our 23yr old son plays "attack" with them,we've never had a problem with them going too far or not stopping.gotta go to work now, but i did take out both of them at the same time today. they still pull a bit when i take them together, but i do take them out every day.thanks
bootsmutt, in that other blog about the lawsuit, you mentioned your dog who hurt its foot in the bicycle spokes. Today, my dog was trying to get at a cat that's been living under my house (I didn't know the cat was there!!) and I was attempting to sleep late, so I woke up to all this commotion outside my bedroom window in the fenced-in part of my yard. My dog was trying to dig under the house to get the cat! He hurt his paw, but I can't see any cuts or injury. It must be a bruise or a sprain. Anyway, I thought I would try to walk him to give him some structure after that because he was NUTS from being totally obsessed with getting at the cat. I got to the end of my driveway, and he laid down and refused to walk. I gave him two choices, go back inside, or keep walking. He walked to the next door neighbor's driveway, and laid down again. Obviously, it hurt to walk. I gave him baby aspirin and made him calm down inside the house. I had to go to work, so I left him inside hopefully he will be OK. What did you end up doing for your dog?
Also, this cat has been living under my house for two months! I figured it out by putting a couple of "chase" episodes together and realized she's been there for a long time. I have to get her out from under there, and I guess we will adopt her since she's obviously homeless. I'm concerned about adding her to our family because ever since my 17 y.o cat died last December, my dogs have been OBSESSED with chasing cats. I think they used to chase here inside the house and that satisfied them. Now, whenever they see a cat, they fight with each other and it's really scary. They got ahold of my neighbor's cat in March and it cost me a bundle in vet bills. Last week was the DW episode with Spike and the cat. I suppose I should watch it a few times to see what Cesar and the owner did. I'm hoping to catch the cat and put her in a crate and intro them inside the house with her protected in the crate. They don't bother my other cat who is 14 y.o, but she is also one tough cookie, and doesn't let the dogs get away with anything. I've never had problems with them and cats until our cat died last December. My dog was so nuts this morning, he had a look in his eyes like he was on something! He was panting and panting and couldn't calm down. I'm not sure if it was the injury to his leg, or the excitement of the cat, or both. I may not be able to capture the cat anyway, but I do want to try. I put food out for it today, probably a mistake. She came to the door last night and I would've let her in, but the dogs charged the door and she took off. Now that I've put food out, she'll probably just hide again until she gets hungry.
k2,
I hope your dog will get well soon. Hopefuly it's nothing serious.
Good luck with the cat.
bootsmut,
Yes, how is your dog doing? I hope she's fine by now.
One thing I would love to have on this blog is to be able to post pictures of our beloved dogs. We've read so much about them, it would be great to see them.
There is one subject I wanted to hear other opinions. The vaccines. My friend lost her 9 year old dog a few months ago, because he developed some kind of anemia due to vaccines. When my first dog was a puppy, my neighbor, who worked in the vet office (but was not a vet) told me, that her dogs got all the doggie vaccines as puppies, and now while grown up, they only get rabies. I research this subject a little, and there are as many pros as cons. My dogs like my neighbor's got all their shots as puppies, but now they only get rabies. I was wondering how many more people were like me.
I know that vets recommend vaccinating every year. Even dogs, who previously had the disease, and are supposed to be immune to that ( my friend's dog overcame parvo, but still gets the parvo vaccine every year).
Ewa,
Wow, one more thing that shows me how little I know about dogs !!!! I always "assumed" my vet would give my dog shots when and as needed, and ask my opinion on ones that may not be necessary. My 4 pups are all under 2 yrs old, the youngest is 9 months. Along with a rabies shot (the 1st one was a 1 yr, the next one is a 3 yr), mine get... 4 way Lepto every other year, Lyme vacc (annual), Bordetella. I think that's it, going by the reminder my vet sent me. I never heard that the vaccines may be bad for them. I'll have to do some research on this also. Thanx for the 411 !!!!
Ewa, Thanks for the info. It sort of makes sense, if you look at human children, they don't get vaccines all through their lives. I board my guys about once or twice a year in a kennel, and so I always get the Bordatella vaccine. Last summer, I boarded them for a week. When I called to say I was coming to pick them up, the woman at the kennel said she was just about to call me because the entire kennel had broken out in a strain of kennel cough that Bordatella does NOT prevent. I had to take them immediately to the vet, who was also on vacation. So I had to take them to a stranger vet where they gave us antibiotics, and told me there was an "epidemic" in our county of this other strain of kennel cough. I had to keep my dogs away from other dogs for TWO WEEKS!! It was highly contagious, and they were sick as dogs (ha ha). They sounded like they had whooping cough, and they were all feverish and lethargic for about three days. I'm going on a trip in three weeks, and guess what? I'm using a different kennel this time. One recommended by MY vet (who is my hero! LOL). When I spoke to the owner of this kennel, she said she never heard about any "epidemic" of some weird strain of kennel cough last summer! She's been in business for over 20 years, and never heard of such a thing. Blew me away! You really need to be careful! My babies!!! LOL!
Also, we are in the northeast, and my dogs tested positive for Lyme disease two years ago, so I vaccinate them for Lyme annually. Should vaccinate myself too, ha ha, you wouldn't believe how many humans here get Lyme disease!
If you make the decision not to vaccinate your dog for any of the standard vaccination diseases, you are putting your trust in your dog's health on those of us who DO vaccinate. Do you realize that?
You are depending on the health of ALL the dogs your dog might meet, or who might be close by, being good. If your dog is not vaccinated and a stray dog with distemper comes by and your dog catches it, then you are virtually condeming your dog - if he's lucky - to a lifetime of nervouse twitches, tics, and possibly seizures. If he's not lucky, he'll die.
Or if a rat or mouse with lepto gives it to your dog he might end up with severly impaired kidneys.
Yes, for some dogs there are dangers in vaccinations and it's tragic when they occur, but the indicdence of tragedy from the diseases they prevent would be far more wide spread and affect FAR more dogs, if enough people stop vaccinating their dogs.
Do YOU want the health and safety of your dogs to depend on someone ELSE not having vaccinated their dog, if you don't?
BTW... not that it's a vaccine, but mine all get Frontline and Heartguard every month. The reason for getting the Bordetella vacc for mine is because we foster rescue dogs. Mine still got kennel cough once, then my vet told me there are some strains that it doesn't protect against.
perhaps you could find a middle ground. space out the vaccines when they are younger. i would think it would be hard on a puppy's body to take so many in such a short time. i know they need them but if they can be put off if the puppy is sick they can be put off for a short time even if he's well. then, can't tests be done each year to see if vaccines for other things are needed except i guess for rabies? mine got his shots but he was older and they were a bit further apart. i kept him home until they were all done, but it hasn't affected his socialization. he still thinks every dog has walked by just to play with him :)
Elbereth,
that sounds resonable. I was actually going to ask the vet if there are tests that will show if my dogs are immune (I guess there must be). As I said I researched the subject, and I did not find one site that would say it's proven that vaccines wear off after one year.
I would never tell anyone not to vaccinate their dogs. I did vaccinate all of them as puppies. But I am being very careful now.
K2,
Shirley is fine now, it took about a week, while healing, she would start putting weight on it more & more each day, but we know it wasn't broken, so we didn't take her to the vet. I gave her aspirit occationally. today I was out from 8-11,first i walked both dogs to school w/my neighbor(i do this each a.m.)that's almost 40min, then i walked shirley past my new safe zone(i keep expanding it lolol)then I took shirley to the dog park(there was a fight today) then i took boots out again. i think my husband wants me to start paying attention to him now, since it's my day off.
I didn't read all before i spoke K2...boots was crazy over cats!my daughter left her cat with us. first we kept her in our bedroom with the door closed, then we brought her out in her carrier with us by the couch and told boots "no"
when he came near,we did this alot!Then we held her on our labs & told boots "NO" when ever he looked at her, we did this alot too. then we had boots sit with us on the couch while the cat sat on another chair, again we kept talking to boots & made him keep his attention away whenever he "fixated" on her, then we started letting him smell her little by little, so now they are fine together, but this cat was not afraid of dogs.This is our dog who used to go ballistic with cats, now he doesn't even pay attention to cats that are outside while we walk.So i KNOW you can do it.
It's me again..After the initial vaccinations I never gave any of my dogs boosters, all my dogs thruout my life were fine.(except for the rabbies shot)
Ceaser i have a 3 1/2 about to be 4 yr. old golden retriever however he dosnt lisen and dosnt like other dogs when walking him, same with people. i have tried (attempted)many of ur techniques but he still dosnt lisen what i need is ur help please
my golde retriever dosnt lisen he tries 2 bite what should i do
i seriously need help w/ my dog we tried to get him a haircut but he tried to bite the people. what should i do
Alex...read back through the many blogs here, get Cesar's video "People Training for Dogs" and his book "Cesar's Way" and ABOVE ALL, get PROFESSIONAL help. YOu have a red zone dog and you need a professional, preferably one that follows Cesar's techniques, to help you.
Cesar's website, which is listed on the main NGC Cesar's page has a listing of trainers. Click on "Contact Us", then down near the bottom on "resource center", then on "Trainers" and read the whole page, which contains the referrals to a professional dog trainer site.
bootsmutt, I'm always amazed how much we all have in common with our doggie problems! Do you remember me posting about my "safety zone" a month or so ago? Well, I've left the safety zone a few times, but I'm still walking the safety zone route twice a day instead of venturing forth. Oh well! Next week I'm on vacation and I'm taking them to the coast. That's WAAAAY out of the safety zone -- and there are tons of strangers with stranger-dogs, but I'll figure it out. I spent a weekend there a month ago so I could get used to the idea. That is where I had most of my problems last summer -- before I found Cesar's show. So it automatically brings up the nervousness, but I know what to do now so I think it will be ok. Thank you so much for the encouragement about the cats. We still haven't rescued the poor homeless kitty -- but he/she is around somewhere. One of these days we'll find her. And hopefully all live in harmony! LOL!
k2, bootsmuth,
I think my chow mix has a "safety zone", lol. I want to walk with her other places, but she would not walk out of our subdivision. I don't have this problem with my other two dogs, they will go with me everywhere. If I want my chow mix to walk further, I have to drive her out of the subdivision, park, and then she will walk with me. Of course that means that she doesn't see me as her leader, sigh....
k2,
I hope you can rescue the kitty.
A couple of months ago I shared a story about a stray dog that lives in the woods not far from my house, we named him Coco. I used to feed him daily, he would never come close to me, always run away. Many times I left food without even seeing him, hoping that he'll come and eat it. For a few weeks, he has been gone, the food uneaten. I was afraid something bad happened. Then he would appear, looking skinnier than ever, only to disappear after a few days. I really want to help him, I drive around and leave piles of dog food for him, I have even saw him walking in my neighborhood twice. But I can't get him to trust me, because I hardly see him. I talked to animal control, and they agreed to leave him alone (unless he becomes agressive, which he is not), or they would have to eutanize him after 6 days.
There is a small creek, so he has water (and I left bowls with water too), but I am worried about him. I feel a very special bond with him, I would like to adopt him (which would not be easy with my dogs).
Now I see him about once a week, usually passing by when I drive. If he only knew that I want to help him.
my dog needs help should i buy ur book ?
Ewa,
To help change the dynamic of your relationship with this dog, you need to become more familiar to him. Put on an old T-shirt you don't care about and get it good a sweaty. Then, the next time you leave food and water for him. put them ON the T-shirt. That will help associate your scent with the food.
You might have to do that a couple of T-shirts worth, but at some point you can try finding the time to take a chair and just start sitting near - but not too near - the food, as often as you can and see if he will approach the food knowing you are there.
If he will, then you can gradually move closer and closer to the food, trying to entice him to eat when you are nearby. If he has ever been friendly with people, it shouldn't be long after that and you will be able to slowly touch him and once you can do that you should soon be able to get a leash on him.
Doggone,
Thanks. As usually you are brilliant, and have great ideas. The T shirt thing sounds good, and believe me I have quite a few t shirts I can get rid of. Getting them sweaty now it's no problem, lol. I think leaving food on them is a very good idea.
About sitting and waiting, that's almost impossible, because I never know when and where I am going to see Coco. He used to hang out in the woods, but now, I see him walking along the roads about once a week. I don't see him in the woods anymore.
But I will try the t shirt idea, and see what happens. I might cut it into smaller pieces, because I leave the food for him in more than one place, hoping he will find it.
I also bought dried chicken jerkies today, and I am going to keep them in my car. I think they appeal more to dogs than dog food, and maybe the smell will make Coco come out (along with tons of other creatures I imagine!).
"I might cut it into smaller pieces, because I leave the food for him in more than one place, hoping he will find it. "
I would suggest reducing that to 1 place. Keep notes, if you can, and reduce them one by one to the place he goes to most often, AND only put the T-shirt at that one place.
You need to gain some control over him, and controlling where he eats is a good way to start. Then you have just that one place to try to stay at as often as you can. It really doesn't matter if you see him when you do, just being there will spread your scent around and there may be times he sees you...even if you don't see him.
I once rescued a chow mix from the triangle of grass at an interstate on-ramp. She was surrounded on three sides by fast moving cars and when I stopped and parked and tried to get her to come with me, she wouldn't. So I just sat in the car with the doors open and in about 20-30 minutes she came and put her head in my lap.
my golden retriever hates people who he dosnt no he tries 2 bite and dislikes other dogs. whenever he sees a dog insite he tries 2 go at it, same with people . also whan walking him he dosnt lisen he pees on peoples yard and disobeys me what should i do. and Doggone/GA thanx for the help i bought his book “Cesar’s Way” but i dont no where 2 buy Cesar’s video “People Training for Dogs” dose anyone no. i am desperate for help please
Alex,
Check around on Cesar's website. He sells it there. That's also where you can find the link to trainers too.
I noticed that even using Cesar's technics take time.I have been "training" shirley not to lunge/pull/bark at other dogs as we walk. I doesn't happen overnight. she gets better with little set backs. today while walking, I was going to cross the street as usual when there were people with their pit bull, just so she wouldn't make a lot of noise..there was a big yard sale going on, I decided to just walk by, she didn't make ANY noise. me & the other dogs owner started talking. Shirley was so well behaved. sometimes she makes noise but does not pull.she's improving, but it takes months, so hang in there & don't give up.
alex,
try google for professional dog trainers and don't rely on someone's opinion at message boards. if you read the blog guidelines it says "National Geographic Channel recognizes that there are many successful approaches to dealing with dog behavior problems, and that Cesar Millan's own technique is one example that has proven effective. However, the training techniques depicted in this program are specific to each animal portrayed and should not be attempted without first consulting a professional."
"try google for professional dog trainers and don’t rely on someone’s opinion at message boards."
I'm a little puzzled at this reply, since the only person to reply has been ME and my advice was to read the book, read the blog, watch the show and CONSULT A PROFESSIONAL.
Plus, if Alex follows YOUR advice, isn't he relying on "someone's opinion at message boards" - thus conflicting with your own advice to not rely on message board opinions.
Personally, I would follow the link on Cesar's website to find a professional to consult, as it links to a professional organization that has embraced Cesar's techniques.
I have an 8 year old very calm submissive Shar-Pei/Queensland Heeler mix who walks great- no probs with other dogs , people, etc. However, we have lots of deer who wander around our town and when we encounter one on our walks he goes ballistic - immediate red zone behavior. My leash tug, touch, or any other distraction that I try with him does nothing to prevent or terminate his aggressive behavior to the deer. Any ideas would be appreciated!
Great point Doggone.
Armindor,
As Doggone just mentioned, you just disqualified your own suggestion by posting it on a message board,(blog).
Since the folks coming here, are looking for someone to help them, using Cesar's philosophies and teachings, I also recommend checking out his main site for trainers and organizations who support and use his methods.
I see on his site, the the IACP is the organization which he recommends. They are your best bet, IMO.
There are a few organizations, who's members do not support Cesar, and have been extensively involved in letter writting and smear campaigns against him, based on fear and lack of understanding.
You know who you are. :)
Deb
"My leash tug, touch, or any other distraction that I try with him does nothing to prevent or terminate his aggressive behavior to the deer. Any ideas would be appreciated! "
The key to changing his behavior is to catch him before he goes ballistic...but you also have to be prepared to be more stubborn than he is about it. You have to watch him VERY closely and the instant he focuses you need to distract him. If you wait until he is "locked on" or especially if you wait until he is ballistic, you have waited way too long.
If you aren't using a prong collar, I would suggest getting one. They aren't cruel at all, unless badly used (and what equipment CAN'T you say that about?) but they do have a different "feel" to the dog and they are ike "power steering" which means you don't have to be nearly as strong in YOUR actions to get a REaction from your dog.
And don't use just one technique - use as many as you need to. Give him Cesar's "bite" with your hand, correct him with the collar, change directions, get him focused on you - all of that.
If you have not yet mastered the walk - work on that. He should be at your side, or even a little behind you. That is important. Remember, a traveling pack of wild canines can go right by potential prey and if they are not in hunting mode NONE of the pack members will leave the pack to chase the prey. So you are not being unreasonable to insist your dog ignore them.
The fact that he won't shows that he is has not yet accepted YOU as the pack leader. If you don't feel you can truly control this behavior, you may need the assistance of a professional trainer.
# Doggone/GA says:
“please don’t let the kids or anybody else to play tug of war with any kind, breed of dogs. a child was killed last year in Long Island, NY. the child was playing w/ their 70 lbs golden when the dog playfully latched onto her scarf and pulled until it strangled her.”
Sorry, I don’t agree with this. The REAL problem in this situation is that the child and the dog were playing unsupervised. Dogs are not baby-sitters.
# KathyB says:
Unfortunatly most people don’t know that “tug of war” is not just a game to our dogs, but it is to us…I agree completely that a child should not be left unattended with a dog, HOWEVER we are talking about a really weird freak accident!!!
A family dog is just that, and if I was to have raised my dog as a puppy around my child, I would not think twice about leaving my little one unattended with my dog, as most wouldn’t! This tragedy is not the “norm” and my heart goes out to the parents.
# Joanna says:
I agree Kathy. That was an unbelievably tragic freak accident. I feel terrible for that family, but you might as well outlaw scarves. Dogs WILL play tug without being taught. My 2 dogs play it with each other. Almost all dogs love shaking rags (or scarves.)
To Cesarisawesome: I think the lesson is to supervise. Telling my 5ft 7in 14-year-old son (who never wears a scarf - in fact he goes barefoot in the snow!) not to play tug with our submissive obedient 40lb shep is NOT the answer.
Sorry if i wasn't able to respond right away. i was out of state for a few days, but the only reason i mentioned that is because Cesar in his book specifically said on page 247
" Kids need to learn not to pull on ears and tails, and must be taught NEVER to play tug-of-war with a dog." wow this book is a must every dog owner. hope to catch Cesar tomorrow at 4PM. good luck and thank you for the responses.
armindor,
alex can go wherever he wants to go or believe. eventually he is the one who will decide on who to go to or where. there are a lot of newsgroups , boards or forums and blogs like this one that can help with his dog's problem. isn't ms. dominatrix (marleyandme) considered a professional? and then kicked marley and JG out of obedience school? just asking.
"” Kids need to learn not to pull on ears and tails, and must be taught NEVER to play tug-of-war with a dog.” wow this book is a must every dog owner."
I still don't agree...up to a point. I have always played tug-of-war with my dogs, the ones that WILL play, BUT I have also ALWAYS taught them to release PROMPTLY, on command - even when they are tugging their strongest. They must ALWAYS release. That takes the game out of the realm of a dominance "fight" to one that reinforces MY dominance.
Same with children - as long as they are too young to give a dog commands, I agree, they should not be permitted to play such games with a dog. But once they get old enough to understand and give orders, then the dog needs to be taught that when this little human says "give" then releasing the tug toy is the ONLY option.
But I still would not allow tiny children to play with a dog unsupervised, no matter what size the dog. Accidents will happen and you can't save the situation, or the dog, or the CHILD if you aren't there.
Doggone/GA said: If you make the decision not to vaccinate your dog for any of the standard vaccination diseases, you are putting your trust in your dog’s health on those of us who DO vaccinate. Do you realize that?
Doggone, I don't think anyone is saying not to give ANY vaccinations, but to be cautious about overvaccinating. Texas recently went through debates to change the requirement of rabies vaccination to every 3 years which is as it is in most states.
Vets make a good deal of money off yearly vaccinations. And some just see it as a way to get the person to bring in their animal for a check up. But other vets are finding there's a danger to overvaccinating.
Here are some stats (To get to the article, since I can't add a link, Google 'critter fixer houston' and go to the first article which is a blog that has the reprint of an article from the Houston Chronicle.)
Dog vaccines/Minimum duration of immunity:
Canine rabies 3 years
Canine parainfluenza 3 years
Canine distemper (Onderstepoort strain) 5 years
Canine distemper (Rockborn strain) 7 years
Canine adenovirus (kennel cough) 7 years
Canine parvovirus 7 years
It never made any sense to me that you could give a human a tetnus shot and that was good for 10 years, but dog shots supposedly only lasted a year--sometimes less, because I've known vets to give parvo shots TWICE a year, even if the dog has already had the virus (and probably immune). Parvo also is said not to strike adult dogs, but is primarily a disease of puppies or the never vaccinated.
CherylB,
I've been very lucky, I've never had a vacine caused immune problem, and since I travel a LOT with my dogs I stick to the yearly boosters for everything, just to be sure.
BTW - parvo CAN strike even vaccinated dogs if the load it heavy enough. Talk to some active, hunting, bird dog people...especially in the South. They can tell you almost to the longitude and latitude where "parvo sick" fields are, and they avoid them like the plague.
Hi. I am picking up a 9mo female beagle. I found her on a beagle rescue website. Her current owners are gone all day and realize it is not fair for the dog. I am a stay at home mom with a 5 yr boy and an 8 yr girl. We have not taken the decision to get a dog lightly. We have been discussing it for a year. I am looking forward to picking up this dog. The current owner said she has been around small children from day one. I am not worried about that. My question is: What are some tips, words of wisdom you may share with me to make this transition smooth for this dog. Just from reading all of these blogs I am certainly purchasing Cesars book. I saw him on Oprah and was impressed enough to check out this website. Thanks for any help and wisdom you can offer to make this dogs transition to my family smooth.
Tami,
One of the things Cesar advocates when bringing a new dog home is to take the dog for a walk before entering your home. Let him walk your neighborhood and use the experience as a way to establish yourself and hopefully the rest of the family as "pack leader".
If you're not aware, Cesar has a particular way that's best for the walk, i.e., use a short leash and do not allow the dog to walk out in front, but rather at your side or behind.
If you can walk the dog for at least 30min. it would be good, but 45 min. would be even better.
Taking your dog for a walk every day is vital and when you do walk the dog the next time, do not allow her to exit the house first. If she exits first she's taking you for a walk and it's giving her the cue that she's the pack leader. Upon entering your home after the walk, you enter first.
If you walk her alone the first time, upon entering the home tell your family, "no touch, no talk, no eye contact" until you have been greeted first.
I think it's wonderful you have rescued this wonderful creature and I'm sure she will give you and your family many years of joy.
Good luck and let us know how things are going.
Tami,
I went back thru the archives and found this from Cesar that fits your situation:
Bringing Home a Newly Adopted Dog
February 6th, 2006
In my work, I get to meet the most wonderful people and I try not to be too hard on them when they are my clients, but usually I’m telling them exactly what they don’t want to hear – that they are usually the reason for their dog’s problems and they need to change the way they relate to their dogs for their own good.
It is hard to resist wanting to spoil a new pet, especially if you have just adopted a homeless animal. Owners will bring their new friend home, constantly hug the dog, stroke the dog, bring the dog to bed with them, and tell it, “It’s all right. You’re safe now.”
The problem is the dog doesn’t feel safe at all. It will sense it is with a person who doesn’t have a “plan,” knowing that they are not with an assertive leader. One of two things will happen: The dog will develop an issue stemming from that insecurity –or existing issues will get worse–or the dog will immediately take the leadership position so that at least someone is in charge! Remember that the majority of shelter dogs are already stressed and nervous or afraid and can become aggressive if they don’t feel they have that strong, calm-assertive leader at their sides.
In the wild, when a new dog joins an existing pack, they already have a position for it. It will either be a leader or follower. The new dog knows what’s expected of him, and what to expect. Most people don’t have such a plan, and when a dog finds himself in front of owners who do not assert themselves correctly, the dog is going to create the plan for them.
The right way to bring a rescued dog into your home involves understanding the leadership role. The first thing you must do upon leaving the kennel or shelter is to take the dog for a walk. This will rid him of some of his anxious energy. Resist the urge to coddle it. Affection must come later, when the leadership role is fully established. And don’t worry that you are hurting the dog’s feelings by withholding affection. You are not. The most important thing it needs to know is where it belongs in the new pack.
Hi Tami,
Welcome to Cesar's Fan Club. We can all understand why you were so impressed with Cesar on Oprah's show. He's something else isn't he?
Also, congratulations on getting your first puppy. You asked for some advise and you came to the right place. What one person doesn't think of, another one will.
You say you have two children, a boy 5 yrs. old and a girl 8 yrs. old. What good ages for them to be getting a puppy.
There's something I would like for you to do and that is to be sure and get a copy of Cesar's first DVD and/or his book. Be sure to watch his show on Friday evenings. He also has some daytime listings.
I have a tendency to get upset with parents who do not teach their children how to treat/handle a puppy. So, no teasing, and be sure and take the time to read up on as much puppy etiquette as you can.
Now, I have a Beagle and she is 12 1/2 yrs. old and I love her to death. Be sure and get a crate. Size wise, she should be able to stand up in it, turn around in it, and be able to lie down in it comfortably. An old blank helps to cushion the metal surface. If she's uncomfortable in the crate at night, just cover it with a light sheet to make a cave for her. This will be a periof of adjustment for her and you, so hang in there. Where you keep her crate is totaly up to you. Various places are the kitchen, living room or laundry area. One of the kids might want the crate in their room. That's up to you.
Beagle's have the tendency to "EAT" anything they can get a hold of. "DO NOT" give her people food and make sure she can't get up on the kitchen table or in the garbage. That way you have no worry about giving her something that dogs can't tolerate. I have learned my lesson over the years. Let's see, "Boots" (that's my Beagle) has consumed many loaves of bread, many dozens of cookies, cupcakes, gotten into the garbage quite often, but I think we have that licked. I have to make sure that everyone closes the garbage lid tightly and all the chairs are pushed up under the table so she can't climb up on the table. Cesar wasn't around when we got our puppy, everything was trial and error, so do yourself a favor and absorb everything you can from him and from those who will pass info onto you at this site.
They also have a tendency to "RUN"(that is away from you). They will catch the scent of something and off they go if they are not on a leash. Now if she doesn't play fetch with a ball or toy (you throw, she brings back and she drops it at your feet). Put her on a long leash or long piece of rope, attached to her collar. Throw or roll the ball/toy no farther than the length of leash or rope, if she doesn't bring it back when you call her, just reel her in towards you and tell her to "drop it" by pointing to and touching the ground or floor with your finger. You may have to temp her with a treat, then tell her good girl when she releases it. After a while she'll get the hang of it and treats won't be necessary. You can do this either inside or outside. I have a tendency to sit on the ground or floor. All that bending kills my back.
Also, there's nothing like the "baying" sound a Beagle makes. When she does it, watch her mouth. It puckers.
Find a good vet, and exercise, exercise, exercise.
Ever feel like your all alone out there and need some advise, just come on back and many will do their best to help you. It's also helpful to just read everyone's messages.
Good luck to all of you learning to become good pack leaders. It's the surest way to let your puppy know you love her. I envy your new ownership of her and wish you all the best.
GinnyC.
Hi again Tami,
I spoke earlier of the use of the crate for your puppy. Like I said I believe in crating. It not only serves as a deterent for bad behavior when you are away from home, but it also keeps your dog safe. They soon come to see their crate as a safe haven. Say you invite guests over for an evening an she feels a little unsure of all the goings on. That's the place she will feel safest until she gets to know everyone. So keep the crate accessable and leave the door to it open so she can enter at at her lesiure. Don't be suprised if someday your looking for her and there she is sound asleep. Good Luck.
Ceaser i have a 3 1/2 about to be 4 yr. old golden retriever however he dosnt lisen and dosnt like other dogs when walking him, same with people. i have tried many of ur techniques but he still dosnt lisen what i need is ur help please
Dear dog wisperer
I have a Beagle pup, he bites hard and he is just 4 weeks old me and my famly are having trouble with are dog. Please give us tips to help us with him.
-Brittney Fernandez
Brittney,
Cesar Millan does not answer questions on this blog, I rather doubt he even reads it since it's really a part of National Geographic.
Your pup was taken from his mom too soon. No dog should leave it's mother before 8 weeks of age. The mother would have taught your pup not to bite. If there is any way you can return the pup to it's mother for another four weeks she will teach the pup not to bite.
If that isn't possible, then you and your family will have to have alot of patience and training on how to instill the bite inhibtion.
Please get Cesar's book and DVD, "People Training for Dogs" and consult your vet and a qualified trainer.
I hope you are not taking your dog out and allowing him to be around other dogs. Another reason your pup should still be with his mother is that he would be recieving immunities from his mother's milk. Since he is too young for shots, you need to make sure he is not around any other dogs so he won't be exposed to canine diseases.
Good luck and let us know how the puppy is doing.
Two days ago I adopted a Min Pin/Dachshund mix at our local vet's office. For the most part, she has been a doll, very sweet, low key, etc. However, she has been a little snippy with our Jack Russell Terrier. I figured that was just them trying to establish dominance. But then, last nigh, she snapped at our neighbors nephew when he was trying to pet her. We think she may have thought that he was trying to take her little ball. Then later that evening, she got snippy with me, and when I reached down to her, she bit my finger. She tore the top layer of skin off, not a real bad bite. Afterward, she was so apologetic and really sorry. She kept rolling over exposing her belly to show submission. My question is, what do I do if she does it again? How can I help her to adjust to us and become a companion to my other dog? Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated!!
Jessica,
Have you seen the episode on Bandit the chihuahua and the other episode from season one on a chihuahua? Cesar demonstrates what to do when you have a dog with the kind of behavior you've described.
Are you taking your dog for structured walks and establishing your role as pack leader? Remember a tired dog is a good dog.
Cesar has said it's important not to back down and show fear when the dogs try to bite like that and to remain calm at all times. Do you know how to mimic the "bite" like Cesar demonstrates?
Do you know how to "own" her toys?
I would recommend getting his book and contacting a qualified dog behaviorist. It sounds like she just needs to
learn you're the pack leader and have "rules, boundries and limitations" established.
Go thru the archives on this blog starting with December, I think you'll find some specific help on your situation.
If it was me, I would make sure she had the type of structured walk Cesar advocates every day and correct her each time she tried to bite. Once she knows you're the pack leader and what's acceptable behavior and what is not it will be much easier.
I'm so glad the new episodes will be airing, I have seen all the shows several times. I just wanted to let Cesar know how much we all love the show in this house, even the dogs. I have 2 Great Danes and I have gotten so much help from him and the show, it is just amazing. I keep watching to see if he will ever be near my area as I could use some help with my younger dog. That would be a Dream come True.
Love the show and am glad to hear new episodes will be airing soon. Cesar's show has helped immeasurably with my Jack Russell Terrier, who was just a little puppy when The Dog Whisperer first aired. Everyone tells me what horrors JRT's can be but my little guy is incredibley well behaved and I am sure it is because of all the tips and insight that Cesar has provided me. Also, although he won't admit it, I see my boyfriend applying Cesar's wisdom to his dog, which is improving her behavior and, consequently, our relationship. Thanks, Cesar.
Melissa,
Is there something that maybe the people on this blog could help you with regarding your younger great dane? There are some very qualified people that are happy to give free advice if you could give more details about the situation with your young one:)
Every time I hear your show is on, if I'm home you'll find me waiting for your show to start more eagerly than a dog waiting for its treat!! I can not wait to watch the new episodes!! Also, thanks to you I've gotten tips on how to make my dogs listen better...and they work perfect!
P.S. My pointer/black lab mix, Randa shows me my dominance by bringimg me dead mice she caught (which is what a lowly wolf would do in a pack for its alpha)I should know, I studied wolves for 5 1/2 years and I know all about their behavior ect.
My dog is dominate over all other dogs but what bugs me about it is that every other dog owner always has a comment like, "Don't let him get my dog!". It really bugs me. I hold him back the best I can, but he is a Siberian Husky, so it is really hard. To top it all off, he weighs almost as much as I do! Because of his dominate problem, I can't walk him on his dogsledding harness. I really would love to though, you know, just to get him used to it.It isn't the best thing in the world. That's for sure! But I really do love him, 100 percent!
Snowflizzake,
In order for your dog to not be dominant around other dogs, he needs to see you as the dominant one in all situations. Work on becoming his pack leader by walking him either beside or behind you (make sure to keep the leash high up on his neck like they do at dog shows). And make him work for everything (food, treats, affection) by sitting, doing a trick, etc. Definitely get Cesar's book and DVD. They will help you to see his techniques. Siberian Huskies are HIGH energy working dogs and you are going to have to work very hard to provide exercise, discipline and THEN affection in order to create a balanced pup! It sounds like you are willing to put in the work and please feel free to post back with any questions. There are so really great people on this forum that can offer wonderful suggestions. Good luck!
cesar u rock!! i watch all of ur t.v. episodes!! i want to be a dog trainer too. i have already started by training my own dog to do many tricks and also behavior wise too. i am looking forward to see ur new episodes too.
i have never seen ur shows but my friend has told me about it and she trains my dog too.friend=gamecock gal- i am not really friends with her because he "friend" amie is always in the way of things. but, i am going to watch ur shows on fri. @8pm.
he= her-mistake
I have a poop eating puppy too. She gobbles it down before it even comes out. Very frustrating. We've found that an electric shock collar does wonders to curb her appetite. If she starts to move her little nose towards the poop...ZAP! Sounds cruel, but it's highly effective. She's starting to associate eating poop with a good jolt to the neck. The first couple of times it was sad to witness and we felt really bad. But now...it's kind of funny and we have to admit there's been the occassion where we've zapped her just for the fun of it. All in all it is better for the dog though. It'll keep her healthy.
Zapped her just for the fun of it... oh no. I probably shouldn't even respond to that. Besides the fact that you are being CRUEL to your dog, it is detrimental to your training to just zap her for the fun of it. THIS is the reason I think only experienced dog trainers should be allowed to use electric shock collars. Too furious to even type any more!
When will the new shows start? It is now the end of June.
Dear Cesar Milan and his fans:
I too had been a big Milan fan. Until recently. I used to watch his program whenever it came on. Even if I had already seen it several times before. I loved studying and watching his rehabilitation techniques. It was like watching true magic happen right in front of my eyes. Until the Katrina rescues...and his actions and beliefs regarding the sterilization of the rescued animals. And tonight, after I visited this website, I learned several other things which disturbed me and caused me to lose a great amount of respect for him. In fact, all respect I had for him as a person. I still believe he is a fantastic canine rehabilitater, however, I will no longer be watching his show. I will not be contributing to his assets by purchasing any training videos, dvds or books. For me, he crossed a line and I'm very doubtful that he will ever willingly step back across it. I spent several hours reading through a particular blogfest with nearly 500 entries and the emotions were running wild. I am not writing this blog with the purpose of re-animating the bashing of both Mr. Milan nor any of the people who participated in said blogfest. I am writing to inform people that I most strongly do not agree with his belief nor actions in the forced sterilization of canines.
When I saw the Katrina rescues he accepted, I thought, "How fantastic!" Until he sterlizied the animals in his care. The dogs were in his care because he accepted the responsibility of locating their owners. They had gotten separated from their pack because of a natural disaster of massive proportions. I do not believe he had the right to alter any of those dogs. He did not own them. They were not his to do with as he pleased. Certainly, he felt he was doing good. And I would certainly be grateful to find my pack member alive. Although disfigured, against my wishes. The dogs were not altered when the owners lost them. Therefore, the owners did not wish them to be altered. What gave him the right to do so? These were not necessarily "shelter" dogs and it was not necessarily a lack of responsibility on the part of the owner to get separated from their pack member. Although I will say that I will not now nor ever leave any of my pack members behind. Either you are pack or you are not. However, I don't know the circumstances as to why they were separated in the first place so I am reserving judgement.
I believe that he is a very good animal rehabilitator, but no longer believe him to be the best. The best would not feel it necessary to alter an animal. They would be able to control the animal. It may take extra work. But they could do it. Speaking from experience with aggressive, unaltered then altered dogs (a very protective pit bull for his "girl" who is my neice), it does not have as much affect as he believes. In the wild, wolves have pack leaders. Only pack leaders are allowed to breed and produce young. The rest of the pack assists in caring for the pups along with the Alpha pair at the top. Pack leaders in the wolf world generally do not allow subordinates to breed and reproduce, the consequences can be harsh...from expulsion from the pack to death. So he does not have the control that he thinks he does if he believes castration and hysterectomy to be the solution to problem dogs.
I do however understand the need to sterilize in some circumstances and his facilities are definitely a prime example. He has a great many dogs, though I myself will not own more dogs than I can supervise if they are unaltered. (Remember pack leaders control the breeding and any who disobey and breed can get booted.)
While reading that blogfest, (which took several hours), I have to admit that I skimmed it (there was an amazing amount of bashing each other and Cesar) as well as giving it the comprehensive reading it deserved because of some things I learned. I didn't want to be misinformed because of careless reading. I myself have an unaltered male dog who I have no intention of ever castrating. Not unless it is medically necessary to his survival. It is not his natural state. Nature says the male species has testes. However, I have complete control of my dog and have had so since I purchased him from the breeder. I do this for love. And because by accepting this animal, I am accepting responsibility for his welfare. Even routine minor surgeries can go wrong and cause more harm than good. The skin is the body's barrier against the world and all the things that would feed on it if given a chance. Microscopic organisms, etc., you get the picture.
I have this control because of my first experience in dog ownership. A lab mix puppy was given to my four year old son (he's 19 now). I had no idea what I was doing but I was utimately responsible for the animal and I blame myself for what was to follow. At 1 1/2 years old, she was sweet but uncontrollable. She lived in the back yard and we would occassionally play with her. But with no manners, a rambunctious dog and small children do not mix well. So we would also play in the front yard. One day, she couldn't stand it anymore. She broke through a chain-link gate, the back door and then through the front screen door to come and play. Boy was she excited. Running in circles around us, knocking down my children and just having a blast. She then darted into the road. The Ford Bronco was driving much slower than the posted speed limit, but it was still too fast to stop. He hit our dog as we watched in horror and heard her brief yelp of pain. He stopped and carried her back to our yard because I would not have been strong enough. He had been driving slowly because he was looking for his lost dog. He cried as hard as the rest of us as she bloodily gurgled her last breathes of life. I learned something that day that made me the dog owner I am today. Neither I nor the man looking for his lost pooch had any control of their animals. If your dog is lost, you aren't in control of it. My lack of control was obvious.
Now, I insist on control. At all times. I insist on complete obedience. At all times. This starts from day one. I use a leash briefly until they figure out who is boss. Me. Always. After Tina, the lab mix was killed, I knew that things had to change if I wanted to own a dog. Within a year, I had Roscoe Peco Train (aka Rocco), a Queensland Heeler/Jack Russell Terrier mix. I previewed and purchased as many training books as I could afford. I'm not rich so it wasn't as many as I wanted. Too bad Cesar wasn't around then. Perhaps I would have made a few less mistakes. To figure out what makes a dog's thought processes click, I turned to a documentary in both video and book form, Never Cry Wolf, about a man who actually lived with a pack of wild wolves and who eventually accepted him as a pup in their pack and who fed him in the manner of a pup. (gross...but I'd do it if I had to...I think) Rocco lived to be 13 years old. All who knew him could not believe the level of training and obedience he had. It took a lot of hard work and consistency but I knew I had to do it. The first 6 months were the hardest. I kept it short and sweet. A few minutes at a time, many times a day. June 2, 2005, at 13, I held him in my arms while the vet put him to sleep. A skeletal shell of what he had been, as a cancer had eaten his life force and took my baby from me. My husband and I drove him, wrapped in his burial shroud, on the quad to an area he enjoyed in the mountains to bury him. We found a place that spoke to us with the beauty filling our eyes. Looking around, we spied a cairn of rocks and decided we could use those to help keep predators away. The rocks were a headstone for Tigo, beloved hunting companion who died in July of 1987. That gave me such chills as you could not believe. I have no idea who the owner had been, but we knew then that we had found the right spot. Rocco was buried next to Tigo.
Reyna, a 20 month female German Shepherd, came home with us 8 months before Rocco died. Hers was a planned pregnancy. In fact, I had to wait for nearly two years before she could be born as my sister-in-law had to first acquire her mother, Tanya, then wait until she was of breedable age. Needless to say, I was anxious but patient. I knew my baby would be special. It was 6am when Tanya first started birthing. I wouldn't be off my graveyard shift for awhile and figured it would be over before I could get to my sister-in-law's house. But she wasn't done, in fact had barely begun! Pup number 8 had just been born when I got there. I carefully climbed in with momma and thoroughly inspected each pup. None were mine yet, but I just knew that there would be one for me. Then we left the room to give momma some space to relax for a bit. We checked on her occassionally and discovered # 9 but still none for me. Then another check and a new pup. There she was. Mine. A gift from heart to heart. I almost called her Ren Ten Ten :)
And now, I own an eight month old Parsons Russell Terrier, Elmo. AKC registered as El Moroccos Joker. He was acquired with haste on a road trip. I finally wore my husband down and he said I could have another dog. A small one. I got him when he was 11 weeks old. He did occassionally get away from me when I first got him by darting out the door. I stopped that by making him sit and wait at the door until I was out and only if I gave him permission to come out. Before I put him on the leash, if he got away, he was quickly caught. How? Reyna, we would send her to knock him down as we were running after them. If it hadn't been for her, he would have been leashed much earlier. Needless to say, he eventually learned he couldn't leave us in the dirt. And the one time he got out and away from me when Reyna wasn't around? He thought it was a great game, keep away from mom! Only I didn't like the game. I picked up a shoe intending to throw it close to him to let him know I didn't appreciate it. Except...I'm not a very good aim and I hit him with it. SMACK! Yip Yip Yip and he came running straight to me. I felt horrid and checked him carefully but no permanent damage. I haven't done it since and won't. I could have killed him on accident. My dogs obey, are rarely leashed, do not act aggressively towards others and even in a panic, will obey me. Two mean and aggressive Saint Bernards proved that as they chased Reyna while I called to her to COME! She had to run in a big circle but she came. And there I stood as those dogs came, all 5'2" of mean little Native American woman. Thankfully, there were some other people around too who helped scat them away. (and with a few of my foot prints on them) Reyna got away with a raw mark on her inside leg where the fur was gone from being bitten but no blood and major damage.
Those are my credentials as a dog owner. Many of you complain that the Cesar bashers don't know what they are talking about. And really, I'm not bashing his techniques on dog behavior. He can spay or neuter any of his own dogs as he wishes. I draw the line at being forced to do it by people who push a law through the legal system because of the irresponsible behaviors of others. Don't penalize those of us who do the responsible thing and keep their dogs under control. Who don't breed indiscriminately. But what deeply offended me the most? He freely admits that he broke our laws by crossing our borders and yet he wants to pass a law requiring me to go to jail if I don't sterilize my pet. And I'm not a border crosser hater either, remember the Native American thing? Well, the Mexican people were also a part of this continent long before there was a United States of America.
tazibrat,
Agian...same question......why would you feel the need to post the same post on EVERY blog here????
I have a Miniature Schnauzer (7 months)who is really sweet, but somewhat shy of human strangers. She loves all dogs of ALL sizes, but is really timid when approached by humans... What should I do? I try really hard to reassure her and she eventually warms up - but it is a little painful watching how shy she is.....
I really enjoyed looking at your site, I found it very helpful indeed, keep up the good work.
Tracy, Do people go to touch her when they enter your house? If so just tell people you are training her and to just walk in and ignore her. Keep talking to them and let your dog approach them when she is ready, forcing her to let people pat her may set her back. I would also take her lots of places with you and introduce her to lots af new things. When she is acting shy don't let her know how you feel and don't comfort her at all this will make it worse. Good luck!
Has anyone seen previews for Cesars up-coming shows?
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I would like some shows on puppy training.
Cesar,i got a black lab/great dane for x-mas this year and i cant train this dog.i have tryed everything thats on your show.i wish i could have you fly out to oregon to do it for me.He nips,pushes me down,bruses me,locks his legs around me and puts me down. Hes not but 10 months old.I cant let no-one near him cause hes mean to every one.i am a very small person,120lbs,and i cant deal with him.i love him ,but i dont know what to do.HELPPPPPPPPP ME.he will jump off the porch and but me on my mutt,and people thinks my husband beats me cause of so many burses on my body .tell me what to do please..........thank you lori in oregon
I've been reading a lot about Am-Pitbulls and Staffordshire terriers because I know how much the media hype has destroyed the reputation of these animals. I've been around so many playful, obedient, and well mannered pitbulls that they made me love the breed, not for the macho-look or protection, i love these dogs becuase of their instinctive happiness and loyal devotion to humans. They are not instinctive to be aggresive in any way only to other dogs. I just got a 3 month old male brindle American pitbull a week ago, he has the most beautiful colors, hes brindle head to toe, gold stripes all over his body, with a white chest. I named him Taz. Buying a pitbull would have been my last resort, i would have rather adopted or rescued one. (They are at the top of the list to be uthinized everyday in many animal shelters). But since people were giving away puppies for free, i figured it would be an oppurtunity to start new. I have been watching the show a lot and has taught me a lot more about "dog psychology" rather than training, the more the dog gets used to his owner the more respect will be shared, and a fair, calm, patient, and consistant way of training is best, no harsh or heavy handed methods. I'm starting bring my puppy to as many places as i can with other calm dogs and have him meet them in their territory calmly. I've also got him to be in a calm submissive state while being around children. These are the most crutial parts of this pitbull's training.
It may paint a grim picture because of all the talk about being really cautious and carefull with these dogs, but I am not worried, Taz is the most playful energetic and happy pitbull ive seen now. but it is important to be cautious because there are statistics, and more importantly, if something does go wrong, you need to learn how to handle the situation and subdue.
Anyway, I'm feeding the hype too much.
Just wanted to say, Daddy was one of the main inspirations. Taz reminded me so much of daddy's natural balanced energy. Thank you for the tips on the show and cesarmillaninc.com it has helped me so much. Looking forward to the new episodes.
-Cody
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