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Grieving a Lost Friend (Virginia Madsen)
I can't even begin to count the number of clients who call me in with problems they're having with a dog they've brought home right after another has died. This segment features one of them--my friend, actress Virginia Madsen.
In the natural world, grief is a very weak energy. What happens when the new dog meets his new family, who haven't finished grieving their previous pet? He reacts to their very low energy level, often leading him to feel the need to protect and dominate this weak energy.
How do you know when the grieving process is finished and you are ready to take a new pet into the family? Well, I think of grief like a glass of water. Only when you are finished do you want the glass to be refilled. And like some people nurse a drink, people can nurse grief for weeks and months until it finally subsides and they are ready to move on.
The difficult truth is that we simply live longer than our pets. The key to learning to deal with the death of a pet is to not only accept it as a part of life, but also knowing you provided them a life that they enjoyed to the fullest.
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I am wondering about another dynamic in the whole dog/pet owner grief scenario. Is it likely that a Rottweiler of a man who recently lost his mother is not eating because he is carrying the owner's grief? The dog has not eaten in about two weeks; he does drink water though. The vet says that he is physically fine. The dog did lick fish oil from my hands, and occassionally sniffs his food only to walk away. He has lost much weight, is lethargic, just lies around - occassionally getting up to change position.
What goes here? What are the answers? Is it a hopeless situation?
I don't know if you can call it "carrying the owner's grief" but it is definitely a response to a change in the owner. The dog is probably reacting badly to a change in his routine. SOMETHING has changed drastically BECAUSE OF the owner's grief. Maybe he's not playing with his dog like he used to, or he's not walking him like he used to.
I'm just guessing here. MY suggestion would be to consider boarding the dog at a good boarding kennel. No, it is not abandonment. But it will give the dog a break from a change he cannot understand and cannot control.
If the owner chooses this route, make sure he gives the kennel-owner some fairly smelly clothes that can be left with the dog so that his kennel has the familiar smells of his owner to tide him over until the owner feels better able to have him back in his life on a more normal - for the dog - basis.
You know Cesar in his book has some wonderful insights on this on pages 264-267. I come to feel that the dogs act out our grief as they do so many of our other emotional states. I really saw the contrast, a dog that I helped to bring into this world, I lost my Thunderboy discovering he had a football size tumour in his chest that had been missed by earlier examinations. A few weeks later I had to make the decision to put him down. The grief and guilt I felt was unbearable. It was incredible to watch the dogs react. One year later, Foxie died but THIS one I got right! She was only given weeks after a diagnosis of insulinoma - and with naturalpathic treatments - she lived a quality of life that was wonderful for 4 and 1/2 years! I took her to the vet because something wasnt right. They ran blood tests and we went to breakfast waiting for the results. Her heart stopped. At the vets, when we were away.
I teach dog first aid including CPR. So my sidebar comment was that I feel so strongly she chose her time just like Thunder and Tanna let me know they were done, and needed to stop trying, and it was time for me to let them go by putting them down.
My point here is that with Foxie, I felt the sadness and loss, but also so good that I had made the right choices, that the difference in my house with the dogs was like night and day. The only difference is me/our reactions and how we felt about the deaths!
With Cesar's comments on this, I have been able to really transition from thinking about the past and the things I cannot change, to focusing on the future and what I can do better. We had a new rescue within two weeks of Foxie, another lost one who no one else would have!
In honor of Cesar - saving one dog at a time, because we can!
All hail Cesar!
Looks like jetman got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
I am wandering what to do with my new doberman puppy. I got her from an animal shelter 2 weeks ago and found out that she wasn't 6 weeks old like they said she was, and 3 days later the shelter called me and said that my pup may have parvo, that they believe the remaining pups from her litter are currently being tested and that we had the choice to bring her back or get her tested ourselves. which we took care of it ourselves... we have already started a relationship with her.
Her test came back negative but, she was dehydrated and has an blatter infection. The vetranarian office we use, kept her overnight....Giving her fluids and antibyotics..she is doing much better, but my guestion is, with her being taken away from her mother too early will there be reprucutions that we will need to look for in the training and guideness that she'll need to grow to a viverent adult dog? I am currently seeing that when she wants to be cuttled that she finds a shirt or a blanket to suckle on. How long will this go on and or is there something I shoould do or give to her to stop the suckling acts.
In response to the grieving owner:/ I have never had the experience in going through that but I do feel both animals and humans deal with grieveness. I have seen in my mother and her cat when my step father past away. Matilda(cat) has changed dramaticlly sinse my step father has past away...she will not let anyone get close to her, she hisses and spits at anyone who trys to. she even did that to my mom for the first couple of weeks after.Now I think she just tolerates her presents, knowing that she's the one who takes care of her.So that is why I say animals as well as humans grieve.
Animals do grieve, but not the way we do, nor for the length of time that humans sometimes do.
Cesar is right, dogs live in the moment and they react to the energy we are projecting.
So, an animal that is still grieving weeks, or months later they are reacting to the energy in their surroundings.
They don't have the concept of "death", they just know something is different and the energy they were accustomed to is no longer there and has been replaced with something negative.
BTW, Doggone, who's "jetman"?
unfortunatley, i've lost 4 dogs in the last 5yrs! 3 from age/illness 1 from alergic reaction to something, but our other dogs were fine, didn't even seem to miss them, I guess we kept our grief away from them & were so happy we still had the current 2, but a lady who was in the hospital for a lenghty stay said her 2 dogs starved themselves to death, they missed her so much. I've heard of this before at other times too. maby some dogs are more sensitive than others?
I know that the little dog we had that past away last year would NOT eat a thing if we left her to go on a trip.
Thankfully, we were never gone more than a few days so she never actually starved herself to death!
I would never have guessed a dog could or would do that, I thought their natural instinct to survive would kick in?
When I had my Black Lab, I traveled a lot. She would not eat the whole time I was away, whomever was watching her would report this to me every time. Because dogs wait to eat until their pack leader eats first (I learned this from Cesar!!) it makes sense that she wouldn't eat -- I (her pack leader) wasn't there!! My current dog, Coonhound mix, will not eat until I eat. He'll just stand there and he keeps looking at the countertop as if to say "where's yours?" My other dog tries to be in charge of everything ha ha, and he has no problem eating before I do! LOL!
"BTW, Doggone, who’s “jetman”?"
He left a very ugly, nasty, judgemental message that was deleted.
For those of you who have dogs that won't eat when you are away...try taking an old T-shirt and get it good and sweaty and tell the boarding kennel owner, or whoever is caring for you dogs to NOT WASH IT and keep it where the dog sleeps and eats.
A friend of mine did this years ago when she went on her 3 week honeymoon and her dog was just fine the whole time she was gone.
It really pains me when people bring pets home and do not take care of them properly.
that is really sad.
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I think animals in general, both dogs and cats in particular, are very sensitive to the emotions we project, especially if we have a close bond to them. I have a cat who is my emotional sponge. I try not to stress out too much around him because he gets stressed and that leads to behavioral issues. We also have a rescue dog who, I think, has been around people who were either very ill or bedridden. The first time my sister got sick & needed bed rest, Eve -- our dog -- would not leave her side. She tried to get up on the bed with her, something she had not done before because the bed is quite high off the floor.
The tv ads about depression and whom it affects include the household pet. So, yes, I think that not only might animals grieve on their own, they also feel our grief to an extent we may not yet realize!
I just have to comment on Virginia Madsen. What an incredible mother she is! And, what an incredible son!Thank you Cesar, for sharing their story with us. I was missing one of our dogs that died recently and my daughter said, "But mama, he's sitting right here and he's happy. He doesn't hurt anymore." I not only learn from Cesar, I learn from children and dogs.
Ireally appreciated the section on grieving tonight. Cesar's wisdom in reminding us that death is a part of the natural cycle, and the little boy's wisdom in noting that the animal is in a better place, were just what I needed, having recently had to put a pet to sleep. Thanks for a wonderful show, Cesar and National Geo!
I think that Jack is well on his way to becoming another Dog Whisperer if he can study with Cesar and develop the gifts he already has!
Jackie C.
I would like the name of the humane society that Virgina Madsen's new dog came from as I would like to donate-something about dogs from Mexico? Looked on this website for perhaps a mention of it but to no avail-
I recently had to put my 15 year old American Eskimo dog to sleep from old age and medical problems. To me, and I know I am partial, she was the perfect Cesar dog. She would never let me humanize her and always behaved as a dog. I just watched the episode with Virginia Madsen and I could relate completely to her situaton with her dog. Guilt, wondering if I tried something else would she get better? She was on 5 medications to make her comfortable. Then we were looking at another last resort. I said no, she deserved a death with dignity and not a risky last few months on earth. Ginger struggled with pacreatitis as well and I just really felt Virginia's pain. Anyway, I know that Ginger is so much better now and the grief and grying is less. Except for tonight as Virginia basically read my mind about how I felt about putting Ginger to sleep. I'm not ready for another dog right now. Things are still too raw, but I know one day there will be another four legged companion here. For now, Ginger would be pleased I am moving on and am remembering her life as a wonderful blessing for us both.
Today, 11/3/06, I viewed the "Dog Whisperer" episode (on the National Geographic channel) that featured Virginia Madsen and her son adopting a new puppy after the loss of their older dog. We just lost our wonderful 14-year-old dalmatian the first part of October 2006. We don't have children and our dog's death is still very fresh to us. It gets easier to deal with each new day. But, it is still very difficult and painful. We will never forget her; she taught us so much.
The lessons taught in this particular episode of "The Dog Whisperer" were a big help to me. I, too, couldn't help but feel the way Ms. Madsen stated....like I had "killed" my dear dog, even though I knew in my heart it was the right thing to do....it was time to let her "go." But, seeing someone else go through those emotions was reassuring that I am not unique in my feelings of misplaced guilt. Ms. Madsen's son's words of wisdom rang true....our departed dog companions are now in a better place. Cesar's advice to "grieve, but then move on," is good advice. The show helped to reassure me that we made the right decision, and that we are taking the right steps in trying to move forward. After the episode, I felt consoled, encouraged, and inspired. Cesar's comments on the website, are also helpful. SUGGESTION: I think a full-hour episode of "The Dog Whisperer" on the subject of dog-grieving would help many people.
Thank you, Cesar and your team, and the National Geographic Channel, for all you do. This show is great. It has wonderful entertainment value, but more than that, it teaches us all how to live more peacefully with not only our canine friends, but our human friends as well. I look forward to each new episode.
One thing about this episode bothered me - the son clearly gravitated toward one dog, and it appeared that he was pressured into accepting another. Now, I concede that his reaction may have been emotional and impractical, but that's the way a kid reacts - I sensed a real strain in the attempt to convince him that the docile dog was better. It may have been, but I had a very uneasy feeling that there were a lot of strained out-takes. I would have preferred that if they are dealing with grief, they left kids out of the scenario. Just MHO.
On this episode they talked about an organization that rescues dogs from Tijuana. Does any one remember the name of that shelter? I have been looking for it online and haven't been able to find it. Any info would be appreciated.
Jane R
I agree with your assessment, but not with your conclusion. What are parents for if not to stop their children making decisions that aren't in their best interests?
First of all, he was attracted to the older, long-haired dog because he reminded him of Daisy. That would not have been fair to the dog. Imagine the stress the whole family would feel when the child ultimately became disappointed because that dog didn't act like Daisy.
Secondly, there WAS the issue of the older French Bulldog. The long-haired male made it QUITE clear that he WOULD challenge that dog for dominance...not something the older dog should have to tolerate, and something that might have led to some serious fights.
By showing the child HOW to make a decision between the two dogs they also showed him that HIS opinion should not be the sole criteria. And he learned...he learned that he had to take into account the family, the other dog and even the attitudes of the rescue dogs.
By correctly choosing the puppy he will learn to love THAT dog for herself, not for her resemblence to Daisy. And the family and their older dog will be able to "raise her up" to fit in without the conflicts in herent in trying to reconcile 2 already adult male dogs, one of which was CLEARLY not going to play nice.
I looked for the name of the rescue organization as well. I believe it is St. Nicholas hope for dogs. I found it when I put that string of words into google. It seems like their main page isnt' working, but a page called "Mexico Tragedy" came up. There is a request to not put weblinks on this blog. But hopefully it is not objectionable for me to say the website is st nicholas hope org. If I had money to donate, I would send it to them. I am very touched by the work they are doing.
I didn't object to parental guidance when deciding which dog to choose - I objected to it being filmed, since this was a "grieving" episode; children are already vulnerable enough; to expose them in a particularly vulnerable emotional state just didn't sit right with me. I understand that there may be differing opinions on this. I wouldn't have done a grieving-dog-owners episode using a child, that's all I'm saying.
"I objected to it being filmed, since this was a “grieving” episode"
I think you've completely missed the point of the show. It was NOT a "grieving" episode...it was a "now that the grieving is OVER" show. They said that in the show, several times...that Cesar advised them to give themselves AND their remaining dog time to grieve and not make the decision to get another dog, or which other dog, until they felt the grieving process had run it's course and they were ALL ready to welcome another dog.
At that point it becomes, not a "grieving" episode, but a "how to best help you and your child to choose the right new dog" episode"...and a very good one it was, too.
I think you may be thinking too hard about YOUR reactions to the situation and not paying enough attention to the wonderful insight and maturity of the child involved. He had a better "feel" for what was going on and how it involved him, his mother AND his existing dog than your description would leave one to realize.
Hi there, I also watched the episode but am interested for a different reason than most. You see, my husband and I got a mixed breed dog but we are not quite sure what he is. He does, however, look very similar to the dog Virgina Madsen ended up getting as a companion. What I would like to know is, what kind of dog was it? Then we might have a breed for my dog! I would be so pleased if someone could help me with this :)
We addopted a 2- 3 year old lab this past December and he is a a very good dog for me, although when my husband goes to pet him or play with him at all he seems to pee. We have never hit him, we do not belive in that kind of punishment. We tell him no and put him outside. Nothing seems to work and I was hoping for some advise on this. We have assumed that whoever previously owned him may have hurt him and this is why he seems to be doing it. He has never done this with me while I am playing with him or calling him. He listens very well to me. Please help if you can by giving me advise so he will not pee in the house anymore when my husband loves on him or plays with him and they can learn to bond as well as me an my dog buddy do.
Thanks.
Both "Berenice" and "Gina" asked what the name is of the featured rescue group from Tijuana. Yes, it is St. Nicholas Hope for Animals. I also work for a rescue group down there, The Baja Animal Sanctuary. We are based in Rosarito Beach, Baja. Please feel free to Google us and see what we are about. We have over 250 beautiful dogs and 50 gorgeous cats for adoption, all ages and breeds. And all rescued from the mean streets of Baja and adopted out to loving homes. Last year we placed 357 dogs and 111 cats, our best year ever! We hope to have a segment on The Dog Whisperer soon as well.
Does anyone know the name of the organization in Mexico that rescued dogs from being electricuted? It was was featured in this episode.
Thanks!
I rescued a starving Rottweiler three and a half years ago. He, Sammy, is now fat, healthy and very happy living on the beach in Rosarito with me. I am now looking for a 6 months to 2 year old Rotty for my "Sam" as a companion and for him to teach our "new friend" all the incredible things my Sam knows.
As we Rotty owners know, they don't live as long as the smaller dogs do, and this just breaks my heart.
I am hoping to find a terrific companion for Sam and, inevitably, a beautiful Rotty to continue "Sam's" legacy.
Please, if you know of any Rotty that can use a safe, healthy, beautiful life on the beach of Rosarito, please respond ASAP.
Hoping to hear from you soon,
Ann Harrington
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