Molly the Farm Dog

Contrary to misstatements by some critics, I do not advocate the permanent use of electric or prong collars or similar devices. I do, however, believe in using the right tool for the right situation, though solely for training purposes, with the idea that with proper instruction and consistency, the tools will eventually no longer be needed. No two dogs are alike. And their life experiences differ with each case. I felt that the use of the e-collar was best for Molly, in order to save her life. In her two short years, she had already lost an eye, some teeth, and survived a run-in with a tractor tire. The next one could be her last. What she needed was a deterrence -- an understanding that the tractor tires were off-limits. The collar provided that physical connection. We made sure that the setting of the e-collar was not high enough to cause Molly any pain. As you will see, she passed with flying colors and her owners were able to remove the e-collar after two months. In my opinion, an e-collar can be a life-saving tool, like a defibrillator to an EMT. But neither tool is meant to be a permanent solution. The tried and true principals of solid pack leadership were what ultimately corrected Molly.
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Bravo! Applause! Ovation!

One of the biggest things that has impresessed me about "Cesar's Way" is his position repeated over and over, that ~all ways are good, as long as it does not harm the dog. More importantly I think, is his consistent and accurate risk assessments in context with the dog's environment, the time he has to work in AND the owner's skill and tools.

As with any tool, misuse can happen with conscious intent for sure, but even more frequently, in my experience, misuse happens when people are completely unconscious of their own actions and energy's effect on the dog (and how obvious it is, to those of us watching the episodes) and unwillingness to study the correct use and find someone to mentor/watch to help the new user to use the corrective tool OR technique correctly.

There is so much free information available any more to help the people who post here, that are looking for tips, even in this website with the video clips, the past blog comments and, tips and links to Cesars own site where even MORE information is available.

Of course the other side of the coin is that the owners need to be willing to take the time to do the techniques they feel comfortable in trying without expert professional assistance that are talked about as well!

I own Rottweilers used to have four but Mommy and Daddy Dog have passed. They had a litter of nine. Once they were weaned and had their first shots I let someone take a puppy home to see if his kid would like it. Unfortunatly the pup contracted and spread Parvo to the others before the next shots were to be given. I helped birth these pups, helped Mommy Dog nurse them as she had only 7 good nipples I slept only 3 hours a day until their eyes opened and they could start eating baby cereal. I nursed the pups through Parvo with injections and sub-q liquids but still lost five of them. I became overly protective and did not socialize them at all. I had never learned to train an animal but used to have a good hand with most animals I came into contact with. I lost that ability when I lost my self esteem. I started watching Ceasar's show when one of the dogs snapped at my 2 year old niece in a corrective fashion. The dogs are not used to many adult people and no children until my niece. I watched thirteen hours of reruns this spring while recovering from a ruptured disc. When the weather turned good and the Doctors encouraged walking outside I took one rottie with me as when I used to try to walk the both of them they were always competing and pulling me here and there. I could only walk for 15 minutes but using what I'd seen on the show in three days I went from walking 1 rottie to walking two rotties and the basset hound that they never really accepted. I walked them down towards the next farm as I still had a fear of them lunging at another animal. But after a week of two walks a day working up to 25 minutes a walk one of the farm dogs started charging us from the field. My first thought was Oh Crap! Missi will go after that dog and Chyna will attack the basset and I'll get injured trying to break up two fights. That's when "Ceasar's voice" told me to walk tall and in charge but relaxed and in the moment. I did it and the dog stopped his charge and trailed us as we all walked along as if he wasn't there. This emboldened me to walk the dogs the three blocks to the park passing a cat and another dog that barked at us the length of his fence and my dogs did me proud ignoring just about everything with only minor corrections. After 2 weeks of walking them past the 2 noisy neighborhood dogs I can now just make Ceasar's corrective noise "shht" and they stop barking and let us pass without further comment. They now walk with my niece when she comes to visit off leash in my yard and I no longer have to worry. THANK YOU CEASAR!!!! I'm a true believer and recomend you to everyone.

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Just wanted to say, your shows ROCKS! I have 2 yellow labs, male & female, Chevy was one stubborn dog, but putting to use some of the techniques you teach on your show, has help a lot, now I can actually walk my dogs (with a combination weight of 180 lb) without fear that they will yank me right out of my shoes, which has happen on occasion. (I only weight 110 lbs myself). Zisel (fem) was a very shy and fearful pup (9 months old) but with lots of patience and not rewarding/petting her when she is acting scare, has changed her attitude, she is becoming more outgoing and less timid. And you are so right, Cesar by using common sense and keeping in mind that they are DOGS, not humans and that am the LEADER of the pack, Chevy and Zisel are in the road to be the best hunting dogs a girl can ask for. Thanks!
PS: Dont pay any attention to the comment from #4 "billy"
he is a pendejo...

I haven't seen the episode with Molly, but thank you Cesar for addressing the issue of e collars. My daughter's dog Brooklyn is a rescue.He was dog aggressive, cat aggressive, stranger aggressive, with an appointment for euthansia. Thank God I came across your program which we religiously devoured! We even added more channels so I could get the National Geographic Channel. Through your show, books, DVD's, and seminar in Davis, California, this dog is continuing to progress. We have moved on to an e collar to further help him remember how to behave. Mind you it is only on vibration, but he quickly minds his manners with a slight touch. We had an incounter with a loose dog yesterday and as we continued to walk the dog came up behind Brooklyn. Ordinarily this would be cause for a huge display of aggression, but he took one look behind and we continued on our way. It allows my daughter to walk confidently with her dog and her baby in a stroller. At this point even putting it on without using it, he seems to understand that "Yes, Mom does mean business!" I don't doubt that in the future she will be able to put the collar away for good!

Thank you Cesar, and National Geographic for bringing him to us,you saved Brooklyn's life!

Patty~

Cesar, you rock! My wife and I have watched season 1 and 2 completely even though we don't have dogs. We love animals and have cats and ferrets. We took care of a friend's dog for one week when they went South for a vacation... I wish we had seen the Dog Whisperer back then, it would have helped us so much, especially since that dog was very nerveous and we didn't have the proper knowledge to deal with her adequatly. Had we known the basics of mastering the walk, this would have helped us so much!!! Thanks for creating a show that is both entertaining AND full of useful information, something we lack these days on TV.

I am thrilled to see Cesar address the use of many kinds of training tools and methods, and how he is not so tied to any one method that he insists on using it regardless of its effectiveness. He truly matches the technique to the dog, and some dogs have to learn that certain actions are definitely off limits, particularly when those actions threaten the dog's own safety! If it takes an electric collar to get through to the dog initially, then that's what it takes. Once the dog has learned and the collar is no longer necessary, then it can be put away!
I'm glad Cesar is here to show how and when to use these tools, since a lot of harm can be done if they are used irresponsibly -- just like any tool!

Thank you Cesar! I've really enjoyed the variety in season 3 so far. Not all the cases are "red zone," and I particularly enjoyed seeing issues like fearful dogs (Banjo) and choosing the right dog (Spike and Belle).

I look forward to each new episode and each new lesson to be learned!

I have always believed in Pack Leadership.

I started my 'dog training' with my very first puppy, over a decade ago, and my trainer was of a sound mind and encouraged me along with his many students (he has been a trainer of OTCH dogs since the 70's) that a crate is a dogs den, four paws remain on the ground at all times, and a master's bed is no place for a dog. No pinch collars needed, no E-collars needed, a fanny pack of food, tennis ball or just my positive attitude and good energy, seemed to win my dogs affection.

Over the years, I have had over a dozen dogs come in and out of my life, some were second hand dogs, in need of some help, and through Pack Leadership I was able to turn all of those, otherwise, heading for the gas chamber, dogs, into household pets, with a calm and submissive attitude. I even put many of those dogs through the AKC CGC program, before I placed them.
Cesars Way has brought to light what so many of us have been seeking, true Cesarians know what I mean.

With a new generation of dogs in my life, and Cesars Way on my side, I have no doubt that I will be able to continue what I have been doing for so long. Cesar has helped to save the lives of many un-stable dogs to allow for them to reach 'stability' and 'potential.' 2 good words, how can you argue with that.

Hail Cesar!

I love our morning walks - we live very near the beach but are only allowed to walk dogs on it 7 mos of the year. IMHO, nothing replaces the walk - Cesar is spot on about that. Play, exercise, dog parks are fine, but except for extremely bad weather, our morning routine is a short hop to "go", then Mom's gotta have her coffee and then it's leash up and a good, long walk. I walk two large dogs, both shelter rescues, a shep lab (female, hyper alert) and a male shep rottweiler (11 yrs old, serious hip and "back end" problems). The shep-rottie would walk next to me if I tied a piece of dental floss around his neck, but for the other one, I have always used a prong collar (with rubber tips). There is absolutely nothing else that provides the proper reinforcement - I know that I should provide the proper reinforcement, and I hope it will come to that, but we're not their yet. Still, she has improved remarkably since we got her, and one thing about dogs - they're great patience-builders.

Cesar was spot-on with this episode. Not only did he show that e-collars can be used effectively and humanely to change life-threatening behavior, he also did a great job of "demystifying" them by explaining to the viewing audience how they work! They're not all that different, it seems, from the pagers used in some restaurants to let servers know when their table's entrees are ready or those disco-light vibrating thingies used to let restaurant patrons know their tables are ready!

I enjoyed the episode a lot and I'm glad that Cesar chooses not to back away from controversy but to meet it head on and de-fuse it through reason and thoughtful use.

Jackie C.

I was impressed how the E-collar can work in the begginning to correct a problem and not needed ever again, just like my water gun I used in the car when he barked at people, I only had to use it 4 or 5 times and he got the point. I was wondering what type of e-collar did he use cause there are about 10 different kinds on the market.

I am trying to find the same ecollar that was used on Molly for my Irish Wolfhound who unfortunately doesn't hear in a chase and he's into hunting other dogs at the dog park. He's quick when he wants to be and I've tried every thing else to get him to stop chasing (hunting) dogs at the park. After seeing how this worked so well for Molly - I want to get one. I've used it on one of my other terries but it will not fit the Wolfhound. Plus, I need one that is for long distance.

Please let me know where I can get one of those electronic dog collars. I thought it was good because it offered a vibrate and levels of shock.

Please help.

Thanks

The problem with Cesar using this tool is that everyone thinks this will be the solution to thier problems. Don't forget to consult with a professional before using these tools, you may make the problem worse.

HB, I disagree with your statement. I think Cesar made it pretty clear that he had to use the ecollar with this dog because of the extreme circumstances. Your statement is very general and it doesn't apply to all of those who watch the show. I, for one, know that this kind of tool is not the right for my own dog.

I saw the segment on Molly and the e-collar. I have a three year old Yorkie that likes to wander out of our yard. We live in a semi-country area, but cars go up and down our short road several times a day. If she would stay on our side of the road it would not be so bad, but she will go to the other side. We have tried to train her to stay in our yard by walking the perimeter of our property, but this has not been completely successful. The e-collar sounds like it may be something to use to train her to stay in our yard. She is about 10-11 lbs.
I hope someone will post here where to purchase the e-collars.
Please help in securing this tool for training my dog.
Thanks.

Patti D & everyone,

E collars are NOT a cure all! If you have a poor sense of what you are trying to accomplish, and/or a poor sense of timing you can make your problems WORSE and quickly at that. If you think an E collar is what you need you ALSO need professional assistance to be sure you understand how to use it properly...and how NOT to use it.

And Patti D, I think what you really need is a fence, not an E Collar...but if that's not feasible for you, then the next best thing might be an electronic fence. But, again, like a regular E collar, you must be SURE you follow the training instructions carefully and correctly.

AND always remember, that an electronic fence has it's limitations. It won't, for example, keep other dogs OUT - so your dog could be attacked in your yard. And IF your dog should get on the other side of the line, he can't get back IN - because the collar will shock him no matter which side he is on.

I think the brand used in this piece was called a Dogtra, but I would not recommend anyone getting one unless you hire a dog trainer to work with you on how to use it and with your dog. For a small 10 lbs dog, I don't know what the recommendations are for small dogs.. again, Cesar made it very clear that ecollars should only be used with the help of a professional.. Patti I don't know if this would be a solution for your dog. Since it is such a small dog, why don't you build a dog run or just a normal fence? If your dog is wandering off it sounds like this is happening when you are not watching the dog and if that is the case, the dog should not be left to roam on its own if there is danger of cars and traffic.

I love the show .. but i must say .. It always seems like Ceasar always works with the same breeds
I am dying to see him work with a Siberian Husky... this breed is challenging to train... I have even heard of trainers refusing to work with this breed .. I watch faithfully and ive never seen him work with one.. i even emailed his show contacts .. Nothing!
wonder why ??

I agree with HB and the E collar.
You should be taught how to use it properly by a professional.
It has to be used in a VERY accurate and specific way. It is not simply a replacement for another collar. You CAN cause greater problems if it is not used correctly.

I have used them but was taught how by a trainer.

Rhonda, There is an eskimo dog in episode 3 of the third season (but not being worked with for aggression)

Hay Cesar, my dog wont eat her dog food. Were giving her this kind of dog food and it says that for her wait, she's suposed to eat two cans, and I have a hard time giving her half of the can. What should i do?

I have a 6yr lab/pit. He jumps the fence anytime im not looking. He has even eaten the fence. I hate to tie him up. I have useed electric wire, worked but illegle in city. What to do?

Yea.. saw that one .. but still holding out for a Siberian Husky.
have not seen it .. im not talking about any aggression... im speaking in terms of their cleverness .. escape artist .. stubborn attitude...love to digg and run.. those are some traits
many of this breed share

DM Wolf - Irish Wolfhounds are sighthounds - chasing whatever moves is what they do. To punish him for doing what he was bred for, is just wrong. If he is actually attacking the other dogs, that's another and different problem. If the owners of the dogs in the park do not want your IW chasing their dogs, perhaps the park is not the place for your IW. If he really likes to chase that much, look into doing lure coursing. He might be fantastic at it!

FIRST read about The Milgram Experiment. Next, NEVER TRY USING AN E COLLAR ON YOUR OWN and question the heck out of any trainer who would, then before you continue, consider this. I have had to help repair several dogs who were VERY messed up because of e collars. Magic tools are seductive, but can open cans of worms you never dreamed of. There are so many "WHAT IFS" when it comes to e collars. What if Molly learns to stay within her boundaries ONLY while the collar is around her neck? This means if she escapes without it, she will do the same thing and possibly end up dead any way. What if she becomes afraid of the collar and tries to run away from it? What if she habituates to the low level setting of the collar? If it doesn't worry her any more, or she's willing to deal with the "vibration" she will leave her boundaries any way & the humans will likely want to CRANK IT UP. Why does the collar work? Is it based on fear? If so, is fear a good motivator? Can Molly make the correct association to the "vibration?" Molly does not know why she's being "vibrated" and there is no way to tell her. Molly will come up with some reason for the collar to go off and there is no way to predict what it will be. If she happens to be looking at a human (or child?) when it happens, maybe she will decide the human is causing the correction? I know 2 dogs who have made incorrect associations during the use of e collars. One thinks cars are the reason for the "vibration" and with or without his collar, he reacts violently & maniacally upon seeing any vehicle. He's 100 pounds and has a frail owner & this definitely affected being walked. The other dog I know decided the shock was caused by other dogs and she began "attacking" other dogs "out of the blue." In both cases, these were not the last thing the pet owners tried but THE FIRST THING. Once your dog develops one of these issues, your problem is much more complicated and your dog’s life is still in jeopardy. So is it the best choice when there are other options? I would not trust anyone to administer the use of an e collar to my dog. It requires vast knowledge of dogs and dog behavior and EXACT timing. There are few people ho have EXACT timing. If a trainer is THAT good, generally they will know several other solutions to a problem & never need to go to an e collar.

My dog hailey is cute, but she is very possesive. she will eat anything! kleenexes, newspaper, even little red berriess that are on decorations in the house. She will run into a room when we go in and we cannot get her out. She also runs outside and that takes any where from 5 minutes to 20 minutes to get her back. When she gets something, it is hers! She will either keep it or bite us if we go near it. She's even left gashes and scars! I need tips on what to do.

Hi, I have a 5 year old male Chesapeake Bay Retriever who is so lovey dovey the me, my husband, family and friends, but when it come to other dogs forget it. I just got a 9 week old female Cheasapeake puppy who which the male absolutly hates. I got her for him to be his companion and life friend but he only snaps at her. She is absolutly terrified of him. What should I do.

Thank you
Carla Hanf

I have to agree with Rhonda, about the sibs, I am an avid watcher of the show and a firm beleiver in pack mentality. I think it would be really interesting to see Cesar work with a head strong siberian Husky with pulling issues. In the event there arent any available, it so happens that I have a 1 and a half year old whose pulling instincts take over as soon as he is leashed.

Dear Cesar, I am a 45 year old married mother of two teenagers and a chronic pain sufferer. 4 years ago I got a mini dachshund and Snoodles and I have been together ever since. He has brought great lightness and humor to my life. My problem is that he is so protective over me that he growls at my husband and the kids. Am I stopping him from being the protective dog that I wanted him to be? He would never hurt them, but it makes us all uneasy that he is so intent on protecting me that he could hurt someone. Is it NORMAL for a dog to be so protective that he could hurt the ones he loves? Thanks, Annette Bartosik

I hear you Carl.. Me too.
It's said Sibes will only listen when they see the point.
i watch all the episodes but have yet to see Cesar work with a Siberan.
So im holding out ..I hope it happens soon .. what a awsome episode that would be.

Have two rescue dogs - lived together but are very jealous of each other, both 10 years old. Anny, cocker mix eats anything and everything, Jayk, lab/chow mix, is very fussy - it is a challenge trying to get him to eat. At their previous home, food was put out and Anny ate the bulk of it. I feed them separate, they do not see the other eating, but most of the time, Jayk won't eat unless I put some people food in with his food and then sometimes he won't eat that. Suggestions?

I would love to know what collar was used on MOlly the Farm Dog.
Thank you!

I just saw the Molly episode and was quite surprised to see the e-collar used. I have successfully used one with an extremely determined and dominant springer spaniel. And, I only used the e-collar after many, many months of obedience training. That being said, what concerned me about this episode was that Cesar not only clearly "advertised" for Dogtra but he made it appear that it was a quick fix for the dog. The collars are effective but the owner must be trained to use it properly. The idea of simply setting the control at 40 (as he said) and hit the button is overly simplistic. Before purchasing an e-collar owners should ask a competent professional (not a salesperson) if it's warranted, if it's suitable for their dog, and get a solid recommendation for it. Further, there should be some basic training on its use. What concerns me about this episode is that people will run willy-nilly out to get the collar and start zapping their dogs. No, it's not painful at the lower settings, but it can be painful when set too high or the button is hit too many times. In my opnion, the e-collar should be used with discretion and only after other methods of behavior control are tried.

Cesar:

I love your show i see it here in Atlanta every friday.
It is very helpful for people like me to understand my dog more.
However, I would like to see you training a Siberian Huskie i have one and its a real challange.

Thank you

I got my Akita pup at 6 weeks old , he is now almost 7 month old , I also have a standard poodle pup 3 month old .
they are best friends , my Akita is a great dog , super clean and very loving we went to a beginners class and he did OK , but we have a real hard time with the walk and I have fallen 3-4 times , he wants to chase everything cars , kids, people, bird ,fly' all that moves .
I'm thinking of buying an e-collar , I could use some help
Maggie

I could have really used the e collar and information on how to handle that kind of dog 6 months ago. We live in the country on 10 acres and owned a red bone hound that was amazing but built for racing & speed and raced our cars when we left our long driveway. We tried everything to get him to stop but he thought of it like a game and was basically a big goofy loving dog. Unfortunatally, he raced his last race with my mom's minivan when she came over to visit and he lunged out in front of her off a steep hill and she ran him over.
Since then we of course have 2 more young dogs and watch every week for pointers to make them and ourselves better trained. One particularly is a young hyper lab that likes to jump on people and cant get her to stop for others safety. Any pointers?

I have to say that E-Collars are the most useful tool in training. Remember it is a tool it is NEVER used to TEACH. Your dog MUST know all its commands before using the ecollar. I will say if you want to use an ecollar to reinforce commands your dog already knows its not as simple as it sounds. There is a process to this type of training. You have to collar condition your dog first. I think people are getting the wrong idea about the ecollar as a simple solution to a problem. There is a lot of research and studying you have to do BEFORE you ever put the ecollar on. Does your dog even have the right attitude? If not do not bother using one. And to the people who are against it will never change their minds. Everyone has their own opinion and style of training. Its just when the ecollar haters take it to the next level and start fights (physical!) because you are using one. Usually I find it is ignorance on why these people hate them. They do not have an open mind. Remember, ecollar training is negative reinforcement. You must train in a POSITIVE environment. I could go on and on and on but I will not. If you choose this type of tool please seek out a trainer familar with ecollars and buy ecollar training DVDs. Remember ecollars are humane, safe, and very effective tools. They are not the ecollars of yesteryears. I feel ecollars are safer than using a prong or choke collar on your dog. Even though you will be using them in collar conditioning. Good luck.

I dont have a dog and I was thinking of gettin a siberian husky but I havent seen Cesar work with one yet and I keep hearing how how hard it is to educate them. I know if you Cesar can train one I can use ur guidance. So can u do a show with 1?

Helllo Cesar i really enjoy your shows and i have used some of your training methods on my dog his a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, my dog is quite aggresive to some male dogs this is one of the reasons that when i take him out i dont take him of the leash, as i am scared that when he sees other dogs he might run towards them, and he might start a fight, but thats not the only problem he also dosent come back to me if he also sees a dog or even a person. i hope that you could get back to me as soon as possible thanks.

I also have a 2-yr old Siberian Husky that is very sweet but a challenge to train. When I walk her, she pulls so hard on the harness I dont even enjoy taking her out - basically she drags me down the street. I think I need to hook her up to my car and save on gas money. The other big challenge has been housetraining. I would love to see a show on Sibes. It would be so nice to have some training tips from someone who understands this breed.

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