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How Many is Too Many? (Airs Friday, January 26)
People often ask me, "How many is too many dogs for my pack?" Of course, it depends on where you live. People who live in small city apartments aren't going to have as much room as someone who lives on a farm. But I don't think the number of dogs you have matters as much as the energy you project. If you aren't your pack's leader, even two dogs, especially high-energy dogs, can create chaos.
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I wish I had room for a pack as large as Cesar's! That would be awesome!
Caesar, I really need your help! I have rescued two dogs in the last few months, so counting the dog I already had, that brings my total up to three dogs, which I don't think is too many, BUT, the two rescued dogs aren't getting along so we have to keep them separted. This has been going on for about three months now, and it's getting old. We've tried some of your techniques, but they haven't worked yet. All three dogs are male and they are all neutered. The first rescue, Max. was chained up outside his whole life, he's around 5 or 6 yrs old, and I had him neutered before I brought him to my house back in July 06. My dog, Brady, who I've had since he was a puppy, is now 6 yrs old, and he and Max get along fine. Then I found a stray un-neutered male dog around Novemeber 06 and brought him home and named him Moe. He's an older dog, the vet guessed between 8-10 yrs. old, and Brady gets along fine with him, even though he wasn't neutered at the time, But, Max attacked Moe the second we came in the door, and has attacked him a few more times since then. I've even been bit trying to separate them. Moe has been neutered now for about 6 weeks, but Max is still aggresive towards him.
Everyone thinks we should get rid of one or both of the rescues, but I really want to keep them both. My fiance and I are supposed to be going to Costa Rica sometime in late April or early May to elope, but we are worried about leaving the dogs with my cousin, who has agreed to be our dog/cat sitter while we are gone. If she makes a mistake by not keeping them separated, she will never be able to pull them apart by herself (they are big dogs), and I'm afraid she will get hurt. I don't want to cancel our trip, but I don't want to go and be worried about the dogs the whole time. CAN YOU PLEASE COME TO MISSISSIPPI AND HELP US? I would be so very grateful!
Tish, one of my goals for 2008 is to volunteer with a rescue where I can work with that many dogs as my skills increase! the wonderful thing about that is that once can start with easier to handle dogs and work up. The rescue groups are always so GLAD to have people to help walk dogs!
Veronica,
If you look at Cesar's personal website (go to the home page for this show, link at the top of this page) his link will be at the bottom of the list on the left side). You can see that traveling was a feature of this seasons episodes which has been completed. Now his fouss, besides the show, is on the new non-profit they are putting together.
You may want to look for one of the many email lists out there focused around Ceasar's Way with trainer's and people committed to help support others looking to take responsibility to solve their problems as best they can using Cesar's methodologies. The professionals on these lists can also help you clarify what you think you can handle inhouse with your own skills, and what is better to find outside assistance locally to resolve.
If I could offer for you to consder, that you have set your own deadline. the consequences of your failure to follow through could be catestrophic for you, your pet sitter and your dogs if you fail to do the full commit and follow through.
I do not know that your laws are for the state and your county and city around animals. You need to understand first, that if there is a fight and the petsitter gets bit and reports it or need to go for medical help so THEY report it, your dog(s)will probably be quarentine,(at the least if you are lucky) There are places with BLS Breeed specific legislation) that will end up putting them down.(I have done safety risk management for 30 years and know what I am talking about here).
Next, your pet sitter may end up suing you, (no matter what intentions are ahead of time)because expensive medical bills have changed many people's minds about this issue.
So my suggest from my heart to yours, is to take the rest of the week until Cesar's show on Friday, and REALLY look, consider, what it is you are prepared to do NOW in the time before you leave, to create a successful experience.
If you are NOT prepared to do what it takes every moment you have left before you leave, then PLEASE, do you and the dogs a favor and find (at least)a home for your biggest challenge dog.
My suggestion is that you invest in (first) the Packleader DVD (full retail aroudn $30), then His book (full retail is around $20 and HIGHLIGHT the key areas that apply to you to re-read over and over). If buying the whole DVD first season (full retail around $40)is a problem, then at least, get the episodes about dealing with agressive dogs (5 episodes full retail is $18). Tape every show you can get your hands on over the next month and leave them on over and over again. I cannot even tell you the number of times I have looked at a seson one epside, and because my skill, knowledge and understanding is so much mroe then 3 years ago, hear and understand things he talks about, that I didnt before.
The time left is short and unless your are ruthless with things like doing the walk as disapline, and work (use bike, skates, or backpacks to make them work hard and burn off that young energy, and creating the calm energy and intervening at the slightest HINT of escalation of energy with each other with the lightening speed of a snake.
Are you prepared to sit (wait) as long as it takes, till they calm down especially when you leave,come home or feeding time? How about looking for ANY hint of dominate behavior in little ways like, charging the door, jumping on the bed/furniture leaving the rest for you to pick from, leading you around the house or room to room...
Cesar also has pointed out that every time the dogs are bought together AFTER the walk, the more agressive one is held so the less agressive one can smell the backside. (Really makes a difference when one doesnt let dogs meet head to head!).
Anyway, the biggest gift to give you and the dogs is your complete emotional honesty of what you are prepared to do to reslove your problem in the long term. Also if your sitter isnt prepared to follow up in support of your techniques unconditionally) it doesnt take long for the problem to reoccur.
On a personal level, what I absolutely believe from my experience professionally as well as what I see in the shows, is that patterns of behaviors CAN be changed relatively quickly, but are not sustained without the owners total commitment to not revert back to the old patters which supported the problems.
Hope some of these thoughts help you and congradulations on two fronts, your pending marraige, AND your willingness to step forward when no one else would so save the lives of dogs with no hope!
THAT action by itself was both heroic. and something that I feel Cesar (and his team) would applaude! You chose to make a difference - one dog at a time to the best of your ability.
To be willing (and honest enough),to say next: "THIS dog is too much for what I can do, but I will turn every stone, until I find someone who can do what I cannot!"- is JUST as honorable and a contribution to what is good on this planet, as getting those dogs off the street!
My friend's 2-year-old recently neutered Rottie has started obsessing on shadows--regular shadows that are made in any room with a light source. He searches for them, jumps at them, tries to 'bite' them. She is a 'weak' owner, but I have always had a functional relationship with the dog, and I have to physically pull him off a shadow to listen to a command (obviously 'leave it' doesn't work) so I can treat him and try to move him onto something else. Why the new OCD? Perhaps a brain tumor? Frontal lobe damage? What's wrong with this dog? It's really sad.
Love the show!
We have 8 dogs in our pack. They range from a 6 lb. Chihuahua to a 120 lb. Great Pyrenees. All but the Pyr are rescues. Even the Chihuahua was found running feral in Albuquerque. Right now six of them are surrounding me, all relaxing and dozing in the family room. My most recent rescue is Peaches, a pit bull I found hanging out at a drive through bank in Albuquerque. She is the love of my life (don't tell my husband). I expected calm submissive behavior from the beginning, and she responded with love and sweetness. One night recently I had to provide anesthesia for a woman mauled by a pit bull. They "raised them". They had 4 intact males chained to the front porch, and many running uncontrolled in the house. The dog who mauled her was a new mother, and was shot during the mauling. The surgeons went on and on about how all pit bulls should be destroyed. I countered that maybe it was the people, and how the dogs were raised. They said that since only "trash" and people wanting to fight dogs had pit bulls, that the argument was moot. I showed them a picture of Peaches, and reminded them that I wasn't exactly "trash". In fact, I am Assistant Professor of Anesthesiology at a major medical facility. I want people to blame the rearing, not the breed. I hate that entire breeds are being outlawed. I hate that I can't even consider moving to Denver, because their outlawing all bully breeds disgusts me so. I watch the pit bulls in Cesar's pack and it makes me want to cry. They can be such great dogs if just given a chance! I can't imagine my life without pyrs, chihuahuas and pit bulls. I guess I just like challenges, but they are the best dogs if you give them the right pack life.
This is SO true...We do boxer rescue and at anytime I have between 2(my own) and 6 dogs...if one is off balance it throws the rest of "my pack" off. Luckily, I have a "Daddy" of my own except she is a girl and a boxer.
We are a 501 (c) 3, all volunteer, all breed dog rescue in the Carson City/Reno Nevada area. We rescue an average of 200 dogs per year, and also have 20 dogs of our own.
We could really use Cesar's help both in working with the rescued dogs, and with establishing order in our own pack. With 20 dogs of all ages and mixes, we really have a chaotic situation.
Is there any way he could put us on his agenda for the year? We hope to be building a "real"shelter later in the year, but we still rely on foster families and opening our own home to as many dogs as we can. All of our own dogs were death-row inmates at one time or another.
Many thanks,
Lorayn Walser
Dog Town Canine Rescue
Carson City, NV
Hi Lorayn,
I hope that you are able to get Cesar! I know how hard it is for just a rescue for one or two dogs at a time. We need more people like you! I recently thought about purchasing a French Mastiff but just couldn't do it knowing how many dogs need homes and all my dogs have been rescues that have claimed me. One that can't be placed because of medical problems and very much needs a person with experience due to her aggresion although she has come a long way thats for sure. The other is my best friend and goes everywhere with me everyone in town knows him.
Good luck, Jen
Hello All-
I love to watch the show. This post is in regards to the fighting French Bulldogs. I would love to hear ON AIR advice from Cesar to have her spay and neuter ALL of those Frenchies! Why more came into the world when the Mother was unstable and then the first of them was unstable is a part of the scenario that American needs to be educated on. If more people would not breed (I won't get on any soapbox:-), then it is a domino effect all around the USA. I am hoping she was advised to alter each of them OFF AIR and that she has taken that advice. I would love to see where at the beginning, end, commerical breaks it is reiterated to SPAY AND NEUTER the pets--maybe some day it will sink in if we all keep educating the public.
Thanks for the show--I do love what it does for people-
Lisa and the pack of 5 plus the cat who is sure he is a dog too!
We have four dogs, two French Brittanys, a Maltise and a mutt. Our latest arrival is not sleeping through the night. He's six months old and wakes me up to go out after about fours hours of sleep, that in turn usually wakes up the other dogs.
What is the best way to train a dog to sleep through the night. All the dogs currently sleep in our bedroom with us.
Any suggestion are appreciated.
We recently rescued an adult female boxer into our home, we already have 4 toy dogs and 1 male boxer puppy. This is our 2nd week and the 1st week was a trial, the new boxer had a fight
with the puppy after being here 3 days and broke his skin over food aggression, I know he started it as its been an issue with
him and the smaller dogs, he is greedy and when you give him
treats he wants his and everyone elses too. She did hurt him
and he has a quarter size superficial hole/break on his neck.
I been working on him and never thought this would happen but
now I am afraid of the new boxer being left unsupervised with
any of my dogs. When I am here they all get along fine, even
sleep togather, and no food agression over the dry food thats out all day. But now I just dont trust her anymore and not sure
if I ever will. She is a dominent female, but has been fine
and is a perfect dog, just not sure how to trust her alone
with the others. Also the 1st & 2nd day she stomped one of the
toy dogs causing her to scream bloody murder...
Any suggestions would be appriciated.
I have 2 rescue dogs a male Jack/Chi mix, and a male pug. They are both neutered of course but still like to mark. Yuck!!! I currently am fostering a female boxer thru a rescue that has heartworms and cannot be spayed untill after her treatment is finished. The female has started marking too!! What can I do to get these dogs under control? At witts end here in Fort Worth, Texas
I have a lab and pitball dog, I have grown attach to this animal and have my kids. He is an over active dog that has come to a family who has little time for him ,if any.
He has done quite a bit of damaged around the house,such as torn screens chew on window pane ,chews up aluminum cans to little pieces,without cutting himself. Now, we have a huge back yard ,but doesn't take advantage of running.
One last thing, he bites hard ,my arms have been black and blue and our clothes torn. I think he thinks we are playing with him.
One incident I had,this summer really puzzled me. While he was tight up ,as he always is when he goes out of the house, I went to pet him and he jump straight to my neck .Luckily his mouth was close. That really has bothered me.
He can be sweet most of the time and it's hard to give him up when he's that way.
I guess knowing he had been abused with a sharp object and/or burned has made me feel sorry for him. I found him abandon at school where I work .The next day he was there again,he saw me and did his tail wagging number.
What do I do when its probably my pity for him that he has not learned to behave and realize he is not the leader.
cesar,
i have 8 dogs,6 poodles and 2 pugs.With the poodles there is only one boy who thinks hes the king because hes the only boy who is macho in that group ,anyways when we got the pugs (boy and girl)the poodle was beeting them up becuase they were a diffrent kind,but when they boy pug got bigger he stared atacing back so know they are enemys and i have this big backyard that they can run around in ,but I cant have them both out cause of that problem ! i,ve tried to settle this by beeing there ,but the pug is just to strong ! The last time i did that the boy pug got the boy poodle by his neck and as i picked him up to stop ,he wouldnt let go so there I was trying to get the pug to let go but he wouldnt until I smaked him really hard!The boy poodle was bleeding really bad and I dont want to try it again so could you give me tips about how i could handle this ? please i really need some tips ceser .
Too many dogs only exists if you can't take care of their needs.
No one knows this but you. I wish more people would adopt rescue dogs rather than purchase "flavor of the month" purse dogs.
Dear Lee,
I have the same problem with my dog sleeping through the night. I got him as a rescue over a year ago and at the time I thought he would just grow out of it and start sleeping through the night. Well, he hasn't grown out of it and he will usually get me up between 2 and 4 a.m. to go potty and then again will paw and glob on me at 5 or 6 a.m. to beg for food.
Our other two dogs sleep like babies all through the night.
Does anyone out there have any suggestions? He is a black lab/springer mix and is about 70 lbs and muscular. It's really hard to sleep when he's laying on me pawing at me...and I'm at my wits end since I think my interupted sleep is now causing me health issues. HELP
HI CESAR MY NAME IS Patty we have a boder terrier mix we dont know what she mixed we found we were walking and she come to us so we keep her since it been 2month now and our proplem with her is she like to beg when someone has food we also the outther problem is she like to pull everyone who take her for a wslk so if u can please give us some ideas on what we should
thank patty charries and family
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