Misbehaving Wolves

Dog: Hyde
Breed: Wolf Hybrid
Age: 3 ½-years-old

Dog: Vada
Breed: Wolf Hybrid
Age: 3 ½-years-old
ABOUT THE DOGS: Hyde is an Arctic Wolf-hybrid, and Vada is a Mexican Grey-Timber Wolf, and a descendant of the movie star dog that played "White Fang." The owners were hoping for more domestic traits in their dogs, but found that Hyde and Vada were not without some wild problems.
Hyde often displays food aggression, growling when anyone approaches during feeding time. Vada, on the other hand, is prone to dog aggression on walks, a trait she also shares with Hyde. But Hyde's aggression seems more pronounced, especially when he gets on his hind legs, bares his teeth, and lunges for other dogs.
ABOUT THE OWNERS: Animal enthusiasts Holly and Robert are engaged. In addition to the two dogs, they own two ducks, three tortoises, two turtles, a large snake, a rhinoceros iguana, a green iguana, a bearded dragon, and a beta fish. Holly is currently getting her Masters degree in English literature.
BEHIND THE SCENES: For the follow-up shoot at the Dog Psychology Center, Holly and Robert brought lunch for the crew from their pizza shop, Pacino's Pizza.
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I think in all fairness that you should let people know that these are very low content wolf dogs and that people should not go out and purchase one without doing there homework. I think all the myths of the big bad wolf are just that myths, these dogs if raised right are a very good companion animal. The group I’m a part of will be all eyes on Friday and we all pray that this will not put a bad light on the animals we love so much.
May i ask how do you know they are very low content? Are you simply just trying to phenotyping or do you actually know the history of these dogs?
Not being wolfdogcl, I would say by phenotyping. And technically you cannot have a hybrid of canis lupis and canis lupis familiarus, they are related.
I tend to agree with Wolfy. They cant be hybrids as they are the same species. The difference is the subspecies. The correct term is wolfdog. I also took offense to the HSUS disclaimer as they are far from experts on wolfdogs and wolfdog behavior.
Those people who did watch this episode should notice that Ceasar used his standard overall approach in that the people were the alphas (pack leaders) This is based on wolf hiarchy in which dogs are a specific subspecies of.
Ceasar if you read this... they need to be called wolfdogs, not wolf hybrids. The times of stories of little red riding hood and the three little pigs are over. We should embrace and respect these majestic companions, not fear and destroy them.
The wolf "hybrid" segment was confusing and disappointing. Though referred to by their owners, and Cesar, as dogs, one of the animals was described as a "mexican grey/timber wolf" mix -- that, folks, is a wolf. Dogs are domestic variants of wolves -- this episode totally ignored the fact that domestic animals are bred (over many, many years) to be just that, domestic. Hand-raising a wolf pup -- or a tiger -- does not make it a domestic animal.
But more troubling is the fact that Cesar and the show did not take the opportunity to truly explain the tragic circumstances in which many of these animals wind up. Purchased by unwitting owners -- like those on this show, who bought the pitch that these two were like domestic dogs -- too often they end up destroyed in shelters. All the while, domestic breeds and mixes in shelters by the millions are waiting for good homes -- these are dogs that are meant to be with humans. And they wind up euthanized when people, out of vanity and hubris and ignorance, want a wolf. I empathize with the owners; the husband said he believed wolves to be the most beautiful animal on the planet. I agree, which is why years ago I got a husky -- a domestic dog. And why I want to keep wolves wild, in wild places.
The show tonight should have emphasized that few people are equipped to handle wolf hybrids or wolfdogs or wolves. And that more importantly, with so many dogs on death rows in our shelters, if you want a "lovey" pet (as the wife said), go to the local pound.
I hope tonight's episode was not intended to show that Cesar can even handle and dominate wolves. Anyone who wants to dominate a wolf is in my opinion not a true wolf lover.
I too am very concerned that there was not enough emphasis put on the fact that wolfdogs are not dogs. While low content wolfdogs can be more similar in some ways to domestic breeds, high content wolfdogs are not. They require specialized care and handling and are not nor will they ever become "housedogs". It is very frustrating to hear of yet another irresponsible breeder who is misleading people about the nature of these animals just so they can sell pups. In many parts of the US it is illegal to own wolfdogs. Many wolfdogs end up at the pound because the owners don't have proper fencing (yes they can scale a 6ft fence), they are extremely destructive to household furnishings and landscaping, and they can easily become dominant aggressive without the proper handling. Most are immediately euthanized as unadoptable once they get to the pound.
My 12 yr old wolfdog died 3 weeks ago. I loved dearly and my heart still aches with her passing, however, I'll not own another one. There were only 2 people who could/would care for her if I needed to travel. I had to search high and low for a vet who would even treat her. As much as she loved my cats, she did eventually kill one of them who went into the yard with her. She destroyed every dog bed, toy, blanket, rug and several dog crates. She even chewed up the windowsill trying to open the window to go out. The yard looked like it had been bombed with only one tree left that she didn't dig up. I did lots of research and even volunteered for a year at a wolfdog sanctuary before I adopted Phoenix and am an experienced owner/trainer of competition German Shepherds. Wolfdogs are very high maintanence even for people with experience.
Knowing the problems the average dog owner has with even the smallest, most docile breeds, I pray that wolfdogs don't become the next fad after the airing of this episode.
Its a shame all you people do is cry about things. Get off the message board and get involed in something positive.Wolfdog or Wolf Hybrid wow thats not even whats important. what is important is these dogs are being sold to 100`s of irresponsible people that dont have the education or containment for them. Put your money where your mouth is or your hardwork. Not just your mouths running thinking you are wolfdog gods. Sounds to me like a select few know it alls from a certain yahoo group. get a life people.
We have a wolfdog that was adopted from a overcrowded apartment. We live on a dog friendly beach and he now gets plenty of roaming and exercise. He's about 20 months old (we got him at 18 months) so still has puppy like behavior and was never really trained well. It's amazing because he could be the twin of Vada in this episode. I'm wondering if anyone has some good resources to refer me to for training this type of dog (he can be very stubborn) and ways to keep his life interesting and others safe. He's a very nice boy, but nervous around younger kids. This is worrisome with summer coming up. Thanks to anyone who responds.
I`m going trough the same thing right now. Mine is turning 12 months in 10 days. She was never socialized and kept in a crate most of the time. My advice to you , is show him to new things everyday but in moderation. Make sure you take him for walks everyday. The puppy behavior will be around for a long time. They dont hit maturity until around 2 yrs old. I suggest puttting a wire muzzle on him or gentle leader and take him around kids but in moderation. Mine doesnt do men other than me. So i try to bring other males around from time to time. I have seen an improvement. Make sure you have the correct containment and diet. Other wise you will find new problems. Everyday you will open the door to new behaviors from him trust me. He will keep you on your toes.
I can support AlisonP’s and 2owls’ excellent points here with a story of my recent interaction with a part Gray Wolf living in my residential neighborhood. About two weeks ago I was on a late evening walk with my German Shepherd. We usually have to pass a house that has it’s backyard along the sidewalk, containing a very large wolfdog wearing both pinch and electric fence collars, tethered behind a fence. He rarely barks, and sometimes makes stalking movements toward us as we pass, and when he does I do as Cesar instructs; stop and wait calmly a minute until he loses interest so he won’t perceive us as prey or our leaving as due to his aggression. This night he had pulled his tether up out of the ground, gone through the electric fence and jumped the chain link fence and was roaming the neighborhood. He charged us from about six houses away as we passed his, and he wasn’t just interested in my dog either, he was coming at me, which is odd when another dog is available as a target. My shepherd stood his ground and blocked the wolfdog’s way to me many times, until the wolfdog eventually crouched down and played submissive. We win, right? That’s how Cesar says a dog sees it, but not this wolfdog. This animal simply did not behave like a domesticated dog does. When we tried to move on the wolfdog quickly changed to dominance and aggression. He repeatedly blocked my path, bumped into me, trotted off twenty or so feet and then charged back hitting us at nearly full speed, jarring me and sometimes knocking my 100 pound shepherd down. He hit me with his paws, showed his teeth, growled, and jumped up and snapped at my face, all the while with stiff posture, erect tail, forward ears and hackles up. Here’s the really odd part, he would be fine for about 30 seconds, standing or walking near us or trotting from house to house following us, and then he’d start all over again. One of my neighbors saw, and knocked on a window to try to get him to stop, giving me just enough time to call the police from my cell before this animal started trying to knock me down again. The wolfdog followed us all the three blocks home like that, and then attempted to shove through my front door when I unlocked it, trying to dominate my territory as well. My shepherd took so many blows he had a limp afterward for days. I’m a calm-assertive person with experience owning large dogs (one of which came to me with an aggression issues which I was able to fully correct), so this is not a case of someone creating a worse situation with bad/fearful/weak energy. This wolfdog was constantly testing both of us, even though we were calm-assertive toward it. I strongly believe it would have bitten both of us had I behaved weak or scared, as I suspect most people understandably would’ve.
After my experience I sought out reliable sources of information about wolfdogs, and found that they overwhelming stated that these animals tend to display unpredictable behavior and constantly test for dominance. The owners of these animals far more often than not recommend that if you care about what’s best for both wolves and humans that you leave wolves in the wild and adopt a domesticated dog from your local shelter. They also say wolfdogs may behave lovingly with their owners and even congenially toward others (like how my animal control officer said this animal is great with him) but can quickly revert to very primal and aggressive behavior, despite the calm-assertive energy of any humans present.
I have read all of Cesar’s books, and found them fascinating and informative, and probably seen every episode of Dog Whisper, but I was heartily disappointed he did not address in this episode the serious problems associated with wolfdogs. I hold out hope that he will read our concerns here, and correct this oversight, for the benefit of both human and animal.
Thanks Sungmanitu, he's getting lots of walks... 3-5 hours a day with other occasional sniffing around breaks. I'm interested in what you think is the correct diet. We are feeding him dog food and/or dog food mixed with healthy table scraps. Is there something else to be thinking about?
Well what type of dog food are feeding him? The one thing they can not tolerate is soy products in their food. So make sure the dog food doesnt have soy in it. Evo , Taste Of the Wild are relly good foods for them. Tney provide the high protient which wolf dogs need without any soy products. I feed my 2 Taste Of The Wild dry food and mix in Evo can food with it. Mine get 2 cups of dry and a half of can of wet. A raw diet is good also. depending on who you talk to some say its the best. I always give mine raw as a treat a couple of times a week. Liver or a nice raw bone. Just remenber high protien food and absolutely on soy products. What content is he? do you know?
Julie? Why was this supposvie wolfdog loose? Do you know for a fact is a wolfdog? You know many Northeren breeds look like "wolves". When you hear of a wolfdog attacking somebody or acting agressive. Its not the wolf in them doing that , its the domesticated dog in them. a wolf would have simply ran from you.
I've been around wolfdogs. Amazing in their beauty and primal spirit. What gentle powerful creatures. Then again, I have a small dog that I take on long walks on a riverside trail. I've had to play many mind games, as well give physical corrections, in order to protect my little fellow...who is calm submissive and never provokes as many small dogs do. Large dog owners do not comprehend the danger when they allow their dogs off leash. The vet's office is filled with injuries from dominant play and unexpected prey drive. I'm loosing patience. The fault belongs with the dog owners. I am almost shocked that Cesar gave a green light to allow these dogs into a dog park. How much room for error is there? "Choose your pack" didn't sound too assuring. A calm submissive dog can look like prey and I do not consider it my responsibility to correct the intrusive behavior of other dog owners. I have some debilitating past injuries that is making it harder for me put a hip or shoulder into a jumping dog. Faced with something more threatening...if I was to carry a weapon, I'd use lethal force to protect either myself or my dog. If more dog owners are not controlling their dogs off leash, it will become the Wild Wild West. Human is animal, too.
Julie,
I have to agree with Sung. You stated it was a wolfdog THEN researched it. the actions definitely weren't that of a wolfdog, but more than likely a northern breed cross. I've been doing rescue for years and have seen more wolfie looking dogs than some of the actual wolfdogs. If you believe this was a wolf cross, you would have been dinner regardless of your calm assertive position.
Getting back to the show; All in all the overall segment showed that wolfdogs are not your typical dogs. It's not that they shouldn't be bred. they will be regardless. But they should NEVER go to inexperienced people who want that " Oh, I got a Wolf ain't it cool" type of canine.
Yes the Wolfdogs arent the problem its uneducated owners. Do get a pitbull or dobie and just let it run free? I think not all big dogs run the risk of hurting others. The funny thing is the most dangerous and unpredictable dog is the Chow. Just some food for thought for you guys. Its not the pitbull , dobie , rotti or wolfdog.
Anyone care to explain why Cesar was pictured with a stick during the street scene toward the end of this episode? First time I've seen him with one. Then again, this wolfdog episode is kind of a first in a number of respects. My guess is that Cesar saw this test in the street as unpredictable and he wanted to be be prepared. I have been using a similar stick, myself, to claim space. I worry about being seen as too aggressive. On one occasion, when I positioned the stick horizontally, a challenging dog got clubbed in the head with the thick end. On a few days, this rather private trail has become more popular and it is like walking the gauntlet. An interesting challenge to the inner energy and I'd rather not have to have this challenge. My walk is intended to be for me as much as my dog. Meditative and a connection with nature. It has been years since I was a dog owner.In the past, I was typically the only one with a dog on a trail. How "hot" is this issue whereby some dog owners feel that other dog owners are irresponsible in off leash areas? Perhaps, I'm in the minority.If not, I sure wish Cesar would highlight it as part of a segment.
hi calluci.
First of all, If you have a little dog. Dont go were people have big dogs. That's just not a good idea. It sounds to me like your asking for it if you have a handicap yourself, then put your dog at risk by taking it where there are other big dogs that might jump on you or your dog. but yeah, people should keep dogs on leash if they jump on or chase your little dog and it bothers you. maybe you can teach your dog to tuffin up a bit. dogs are rough and tumble creatures, not to be treated like cats as soo many owners do. especially those of little ones.
Hi Sungmanitu Tatanka,
I think the absolute best thing you can do for your wolfdog is socialize it. My Timberwolf/shepard is 12 months old today. We live in an apartment but we take him out 3 times a day. We take him to the dog park 3-4 times per week. He is the friendliest dog you'll ever meet. He does like to chase little dogs at the park but i could care a less. My older wolfdog use to be a jerk but ever since we got our puppy, he has been going to the dog park with us and is the most social and friendliest he's ever been.
MY puppy is 50/50(timber/shepard) and my older guy is more like 70/30(artic wolf/malemute)
I love wolfdogs and i would never ever consider any other breed. well, maybe if i had like 5 or 6 dogs i'd throw a few wildcards in there.
and yeah. everyone should stop cryin and complaining. Wolfdogs are not much different if you consider all dog ownership a serious deal. just dont get one if your used to cocker spaniels or something like that.WOLFDOGS RULE!!!!!!!!
I think wolfdogs are beautiful but don't know if I could risk owning one myself. I'm still a bit confused as to how you are supposed to treat them. I know that any dog is potentially dangerous but I feel that one that is part wolf surely is going to be more unpredictable. I mean, just look at pitbulls for instance.
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Wolfdogs are beautiful. they are a handfull though. They want attention, Love, and they cant stand to be alone. they might tear your house up when your gone.You have to be willing to make them an everyday part of your life for sure. I would never worry about my dogs being unpredictable. I assume that all dogs no matter how well trained, have the potential to scuffle. And if they see someone sketchy, then they might bark at them. It really depends on the owner ad the owners willingness to MAKE your dog behave. Any one with a big dog should take it very seriously. As long as the dog knows that you are the boss, they will listen and respect. Also, never ever ever ever ever hit them. Thats the kind of thing that makes them crazy. if someone was hittin me all the time I'd probably want to F things up too. I think owning a wolfdog is very similar to owning a Race car. You cant just drive it and drive it all you want without putting a lot of work into it. Things will start building up and breaking down. Wolfdogs are awesome and as long as you like to be the boss, like to wrestle big dogs, are willing to act like a wolf sometimes to keep them in check, and can get them out to socialize as much as possible, then they are great. But if your looking for a Lab or poodle, get a lab or a poodle. dont even consider wolfdogs.
Reading some of these comments is truly heartbreaking. There is a romantic mystique that surrounds wolf hybrids, a preconception that couldn't be farther from the truth, and always to the detriment of the animal.
It's a testament to profound human arrogance and foolishness that there is commercial demand for these animals, and people who breed them should be incarcerated. Does this view seem harsh? Learn the truth about them and decide for yourself. Wolf hybrids should, in no way, shape or form be considered pets. And it's always the animal that pays for that mistake, not the human.
Biology 101: Regardless of the genetic makeup of the parent animals, a litter of six hybrid pups might range from 99% wolf to nearly no wolf at all. There's no way to predict, and breeders who claim a certain animal is a certain percentage of wolf don't know what they're talking about.
Think about what's being done by hybridization - the superior physical ability, predatory instincts and pack behavior of a wolf have now been combined with the aggressiveness and familiarity with humans of a dog. What a disastrous combination.
Wolf hybrids are a true tragedy. Like ligers, they are aberrations created for human amusement, without a place in this world. They're not pets, they're not useful as working animals, but they can't survive in the wild either. They are innocent victims of human stupidity - they don't know what they are, they just want to live, according to their nature.
You hear a lot about happy owners who keep hybrids as pets, how special and well-behaved their animals are, and that can certainly be the case. It's also true that wolves (and often hybrids) are extremely intelligent, and many people say they feel a sentient presence with the animal, much more than a normal dog.
A more likely scenario, much less discussed, is where you're holding your stunningly beautiful, sentient - and unmanageable - young hybrid as it struggles in your arms, because it can sense what's happening, while the vet euthanizes it.
If the above comments seem severe, consider the suffering of the animal. The sad fact is that most wolf hybrids are euthanized before their second year of life. It's not their fault. It's their nature. That's something stronger than you, or your training techniques, or Cesar's training techniques, or anything we humans can do. It's tragic that we can never seem to learn that lesson.
There is one thing we can do, which we seldom choose to: Respect that nature. Don't think you can domesticate it, because you can't. Like any wild creature, it's most dangerous when you think it's tame.
People who successfully keep hybrids live in remote/rural areas, have a professional enclosure (min. 8' high with barbarms and 3' of buried matt) and have no small children around. They require a an enormous amount of exercise, and a Herculean effort to socialize and train, far more than a domesticated dog.
Life with a hybrid can be difficult - in addition to the howling and digging, they can be manipulative when training, they are avid social climbers, prone to challenge others for dominance (including humans). And especially children (subordinate young in the animal's mind). Catastrophe arrives when a child is directly challenged and doesn't know to submit, resulting in a mauling or worse.
Wolves require only one thing from humans: Our absence. It's true that they are amazing, almost magical animals. To breed them with domestic dogs and assume we can live with them is the highest order of folly.
If you want to experience wolves, visit a zoo or wildlife rescue, it's very much worthwhile. Wolf/dog hybrids are not a "breed", and I'm sorry to see Cesar validate them by including them on his show.
A note: I use the term "hybrid" because, while a wolf and a dog are the considered the same species on paper, they absolutely, most assuredly are not.
I missed the episode you are all talking about. I own two wolves, father is Greywolf, mother is Timberwolf. My two girls, Ayla and Maggie look more like mom the timberwolf. They were given to me at 4 months old since the owners had too many in the house(9). they now own 7. My girls are now almost 5 years old and yes they have been quite a challenge and not at all like other large dogs, which I have owned quite a few. On walks, they do not walk like dogs, they are constantly pulling and sniffing the ground, they are leary of people, do not care about other dogs around. I feed them protein loaded food, ProPlan right now with chicken or lamb and rice. Also canned food. I constantly given rawhide chews which they love to bury in the back yard then dig up when they soften up. I am constantly checking the back yard fences to make sure there are not little areas where they can dig and get out. They are pros at that. They have run away numerous times. they are micro-chipped as I have a good vet who takes care of them. I have given the back yard to do what they will and they are happy. they have an old skateboard ramp where they dug a den undetneath where they sometimes hide when they are afraid of fireworks type noises. They do not bark, even when my old pit bull barks up a storm, the stand by him, quietly and with attention to what he is barking about. My chihuahua barks at them and they back up. They have a large wire kennel on my back patio, right out my back door and inside that they each have an Igloo with blankets inside. Maggie loves to grab a blanket in her mouth and walk while growling showing off whenever I go out in the back yard. Ayle, however, likes to take my hand in her mouth and walk me aroung the back yard. I have a large pile of firewood piled out back also. They love to climb on that and take that beautiful wolf stance, or sometimes just lie down on the wood. A large picnic table which we never ever use is thier perch also. I keep old rugs on that and they love to lie on that table. They look through the fence at the people in the park behind on the other side of the creek out back. It is a constant worry that they might find another way out the back and run away again. Over the past 5 years they have cost me hundreds of dollars to bail them out of the pound. Overall, they are really great. Next door has a little black rabbit who feeds in the back yard every day, all day. The girls just stant at the wire fence, tails wagging, watching. thank God, so far they have not tried to dig under that little wire fence to get to it. New Years Eve and 4th of July are pure HELL for them and therefore for us too. No tranquilizer seems to work for them. I have tried some from the Vet, Benedryl, Drememine, nothing works for them. I put them in the garage with very loud music and blankets and treats. this worked this past New Years Eve after about 5 hours of trying to calm them down prior to that. They are a lot of work, but they are very effectionate and I will do my very best to give them a good life for as long as I have them. I love them dearly.
Vada is beautiful and I have been looking forever for a White Fang descendant pup that will look just like White Fang. Anyone know where I can find one or know the breeder Vada was from? Would be extremely grateful. Thank you.
I'd even be willing to pay someone if they can find me the right breeder Vada is from. Thank you.
Vada and Jed (the dog that played White Fang) are both from Renalee's Wolf World (http://geocities.com/renaleeswolfworld/) in Arizona.
PLEASE do not just go out and buy one of these dogs, they are NOT for the inexperienced owner.
Also the dog that played White Fang was only 25% wolf, the rest was Alaskan Malamute.
Dear Heidi, while I do not condone breed wolves and dog. I applaude you for saving the dogs from distruction or abuse. It is ashame that people are so foolish as to want to create a dog that has no fear of man is beyond me. support wolf reintroduction in the wild not in the city where accidents will contribute to past abuse that almost lead to the exinction of this beautiful animal.
Best of luck to you and your pack Vada and Hyde
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