Profile of the New American Skinheads
Mike Sinclair - Executive Producer
It's one of those places you pass on your daily commute, but you never really see. A non-descript set of railroad tracks bending through a small ravine under a super highway. Thousands of people race by this spot every day without any idea that a man's life ended just 60 feet below them. His name was Randy Townsend and his attackers were part of a racist skinhead club called the Tacoma Skinhead Movement. Three men and a pregnant woman beat and kicked Randy to death so they could achieve a sense status within their club by earning the right to wear red bootlaces.
| "They have their sights squarely set on reaching the mainstream and are using every tool at their disposal to do so." |
Today, years after the murder it remains an eerie and desolate place. For the past year I've been on a journey to document all I could about the racist skinheads, one of the fastest growing and most violent segments of the white supremacy movement. The journey has led me to many strange places--a concrete bunker in Warsaw, Indiana, a skinhead St. Patrick's Day celebration, fight training in a small gym in the Baltimore suburbs, the screaming hate of a band's practice session in California, but it wasn't until the moment that I stepped into the darkness of the Tacoma underpass and into the shoes of skinhead murder victim, Randy Townsend that I understood what all the screaming was about -- it was all about fear.
My journey began with a simple question. What ever happened to those guys? When our production team started this project the only impressions we could recall of skinheads on television were of angry kids with shaved heads on talk shows spewing outrageous threats and throwing chairs. That's largely how the culture was portrayed during the '80s and '90s. We wanted our program to get beyond that and take a hard look at skinhead culture from the inside. To do that we wanted to let the skins themselves explain it to us.
American skinheads are a diverse group made up of various subcultures. There are traditional skins, anarchist skins, racist skins, anti-racist skins and host of other categories. Some are independent some are organized into regional, national and international groups. It became clear immediately that to explore a subculture like this in an hour-long program was going to be a challenge. We narrowed the focus of the show to what academics call racist skinheads. These are the American skinheads who adopted the racist ideology of the skinhead movement in Britain in the 1980s. Many racist skinheads share the Nazi ideas that whites are a genetically superior race and in danger of becoming extinct at the hands of a rising tide of color.
This fear of extinction is real among the culture and carries with it an inherent call to action. Over the last two years, that action has been becoming increasingly violent. In 2005, the Anti-Defamation League, a group that monitors skinhead activity started noticing a rise in the number of organized racist skinhead groups and the number of "independent" or unaffiliated racist skinheads. They also found that this growth in numbers was fueling a rise in the amount of skinhead-related criminal activity.
In Orange County, California, skinhead musician Martin Cox defends the use of violence to further the skinhead's racist cause. Cox told us that, "The time for talking in this country is over. Rallies, marches...those are old school. It's time to start killing." Martin's message is terrifyingly simple, and his call is being taken up by racist skinheads and White Supremacists who are flooding into Arizona and the border states to protect, by force if necessary, America's borders from the perceived threat of illegal immigrants. As human rights activist Loretta Ross points out in our show, it is important to see that their rage is not directed at all immigrants, only immigrants of color.
In contrast, some people linked to the skinhead culture are calling for a fundamental shift in tactics. Tom Metzger is credited by some as the grandfather of the American skinhead movement. Today he is calling for skinheads to throw off the traditional symbols of the culture, grow their hair out, cover up their tattoos and assimilate into mainstream society... and wait for the right time to strike. It appears that skinhead groups around the country are embracing Metzger's strategy. We spent time with two crews, The Keystone State Skinheads based in Pennsylvania and the Maryland Skinheads based in Baltimore, who both profess they are turning their backs on violence, and reinventing their clubs as political organizations. They have their sights squarely set on reaching the mainstream and are using every tool at their disposal to do so. They have toned down the rhetoric and shaped the message to appeal to a larger audience. It seems to be working, using tools like the Internet, and a growing music scene, they are reaching record numbers with their message.
In Tacoma, Detective Jeff Shipp is dealing with the consequences of this nationwide surge in racist skinhead activity. Less than 4 years after Randy Townsend's murder, Shipp and his colleagues are noticing a repeat of the same patterns that led up to Randy Townsend's murder. Once again, racist graffiti is beginning to resurface around town.
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If skinheads really wanted to eradicate lets say 'African Americans' they would be best served by promoting the 'rap/gansta/bling-bling/mtv cribs' (non-educated, ebonics lifestyle) and help to arm young black men, after all, the stats don't lie, blacks kill blacks >80% of the time and before the age of 30.
And to the contrary, if blacks want to eradicate the skin heads all they need to do is become educated and vote, everything else falls into place after that.
It really is kind of interesting how you find skinhead violence to be such a menacing threat to society. In reality I'm sure there are more acts of violence perpetrated by angy motorists then by skinheads on any level. That just wouldn't make as schocking of a documentary now would it.
Compared to the uncontrolable violence inflicted on our communities by non-whites on a daily basis, along with the music promoting their criminal culture: rap music, it's as if your trying to create an illusion of us as some sort of a growing threat. It really is quite phoney, perhaps you'd of done better to investigate the most violent and criminal aspects of our society: non-whites.
I'm not saying I condone murder..but is it any wonder that white Americans feel threatened to the point of violent defense, when there are so many blatant cases of non-whites committing violent acts on them..that go without notice ? Recently, there was
an eleven year old girl at home, sick from school..five
African Americans broke into the home (purportedly to burglarize it) and she was brutally killed in the process. I feel very threatened sometimes by 'thug' activity, and fear for my family's safety.
I just don't think it is realistic to catagorize one
as more threatening to society, without looking at the bigger picture.
I don't think this is very important to discuss all this ,one of my friends who works with Law Enforcement Department in Philadelphia area told me some of this guys that are here as a White Nationalist Skinheads (Keith Carney i believe) work with the police back to back as an informant...
I dont think they are really trying to promote a white revolution....
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EVERYBODY PANIC!
Very sensational story, I'll be sure to watch it, but racist skins are no more a threat to us than Africanized "killer" bees.
That bloke up there has some nice tattoos though...
Any time a documentary is made about any non-mainstream way of life it is shown in not only a bad light, but a threatening one. Knowing that gangbangers commit way more violent and nonviolent crime then Skinheads (or even all forms of racialists combined for that matter) it is odd how much more the government and other groups watch and cronicle these people.
Every racial group trys to stand up for itself and that is fine. So, why is it that when Whites do it that it is a crime or something to be looked down upon?
Why does everybody pick on white people all the time? You have Jewish nationalists parading for Israel's interests as a -racial- interest in everything but terminology and the United States is actually fighting over there and sending billions to Israel, and we are worried about skinheads? Look, Israeli 'racialists' look white except for the tattoos; why not pick on them? Oh, that's right! You're actually -afraid- of bullying anybody who might fight back. Come on! You could talk about the black panthers or the racism in China (experienced personally) but you hunt after skinheads? Ahh, but you're actually afraid of them because of all the organized black influence! Shame on you! Look, every single people on this planet has their 'skinheads'. Stop picking on white people because it's popular, cowards.
Go read stormfront; people there are big talk, but most of them are just suffering from the insecurities that 99% of people on this planet suffer from. Oh, white nationalists are trying to become non-violent! How terrible!
It's not a terrible thing; it's a good thing! It's a good thing for everybody except for the sort of extremists that would like for white people to lose all organization and influence as a common group. An article like this is really about hate; the hate coming from the paranoid fear in the author's heart. It's the same hate that any racist extremist has in their heart. The same hate that any bloodletting dictator has in their heart. It's the hate that tries to destroy the humanity of the other side. It's the hate that destroys discussion and undermines the legitimate concerns of the other party. Shame on you.
The most dangerous people on this planet are not skinheads. You want to know who the real victims are, with you writing inflammatory trash like this? Skinheads. Skinheads who can't escape a history of violence because of trash like this. White people, skinhead or not, who feel guilty to express their own moderate political concerns because of people like you 'blackwashing' (the opposite of whitewashing for any of those who are so obsessed with their social religion that their proficiency in English suffers) anything associated with white people and them addressing -any- of their concerns in any way. Thanks a lot.
Jerks.
Your generalizations and over reactionary descriptions in this article aside. The White American Nationalist Skinhead is not the threat to our society you make him out to be, nor is he a stupid vulgarian opting for violence first. He is reactionary to his environment and DEFENSIVE in action at this time. The numbers of "White Nationalist Skin" inside the United States are far lower than those of nearly any single nationwide street gang currently. (Although these numbers are growing thanks in part to people growing tired of gays, illegals, social progressives, and liberals destroying the fabric of a society that at one time knew a God, European thought and family tradition, as well as knew its heritage and its value.)
The "acts" of violence which you choose to display as giant in numbers are also very small in size comparatively. When held real comparison, the "acts" against Whites are seven to one in favor of these so called "minority" races and their street gangs that seem to "own" our cities landscapes. Few, (if any at all) Skinheads or their "Crews" generate their monies from drugs, prostitution, robbery, or any other illegal endeavor. These are simply men and women who have had enough and choose to defend their own folk, their cause, and or their ideas against odds that would bring out cowardice in those who would be willing to bend to simple opinions of a liberal culture striving to globalize itself to the level of even breeding its races out of existence.
The Proud White Skinhead IS, has been, and always will be political. He is changing, but only in the way that he WAS the front-line of a losing battle for ground which some of our folk have not seen sliding away yet. They ARE beginning to realize that the cliff edge is closer than they have been told, and the fight might actually be something we cannot avoid. This front-line will be required to stand at that point, but the brotherhood, faith, and heritage preserved until then is not a "camouflage", but simply another duty held by a racialist fighter.
I have a suggestion for the contributors and editors of National Geographic, mostly a first-rate periodical: How about writing an article based on the statistical reality of interracial violence, rather than one based on unfounded, politically-biased anxieties of trouble-making groups like the ADL? I can't even remember the last time (if ever there was a first time) I saw a group of White Power advocates hanging around, making life dangerous for nonwhites. If you want me to relate every time in my life when I've seen nonwhites accosting, stealing from, cursing, or otherwise abusing white people, there isn't enough space in this comment box. Fewer people today are fooled by the rhetoric and cliches about white "racists" when they clash so completely with the reality we all experience on a daily basis.
I think it is safe to say that there would be more violence from a visit to your local bar/club on a weekend night as opposed to Skinhead violence....Lets put it into a real world example shall we.....The pitbull family of dogs get a bad reputation from being a very violent and dangerous dog....and some are trained this way no doubt...but out of all the millions of dogs that may bite someone, what are the pitbulls the ones that make the papers...not the other types.
So to put this in line It is safe to say people have fear of the skinhead due to hollywood stereotypes.....A perfect example would be the movie american history x
I think I would be a lot more worried about some of the minority gangs like crips, bloods and MS13
That`s all I have to say
Is it surprising that a few white people are angry about being disenfranchised from the very civilization they created? Whites are overtly discriminated against in our society, and your piece of propaganda is a great example of it.
I'm a Skinhead and I vote. . . I also have a large and healthy family and am aging into a respectable and powerful member of my community. I still can't fathom how the one sided portrayal of a social movement is acceptable simply because media feel threatened by clothing and haircuts. The rhetoric is no more violent, after all, than most hip-hop and reaches far fewer people. What is the raw number of Skinhead related violent acts per year anyway? Ten? Fifteen? Of those most are scuffles anyway. I guess national geographic is willing to stoop to the same low as CNN and FOX in that they will take innocuous events and activities and hype them into Earth shattering catastrophes. Hey, you wanna know what's really dangerous? The government of CHINA. Worst human rights abuser on the planet, yet America's largest trading partner. Tens of thousands killed every year by their party run communist government, yet you devote time to demonizing guys who are trying to make their lives better. Thanks a lot, but hold the trash.
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Sincere apologies Greg.
There is nothing wrong with SKINHEADS.
These people just want to fight for their identity, culture and patrimony.
In other words they fight DIVERSITY and IMMIGRATION.
SKINHEADS are wrongly portrayed most of the time, they are courageous people who stand for their belief. Our societies depict SKINHEADS as criminals when they just want to protect the white race and prevent it from extinction. SKINHEADS are normal people who just dress up differently.
Interesting to see the comments by defensive white people who just don't get it. You're irrational concerns of black on white violence (you are more likely to be attacked by a white person: crime is intra-racial more than inter-racial) is used to DEFEND the attack on innocent minorities. Your mentality is, "Well, some black guy did something bad so go attack some random black person, because they are all the same." How idiotic.
Racism is still a real problem in America and hate crimes are a form of terrorism. Whether it's a noose in a tree or a violent attack, these acts are meant to cause emotional trauma to large groups of people (just like 9/11 did to Americans). They are not the same as street crime.
I would challenge the defensive whites who have posted here and will post after this show airs to open their hearts. Practice empathy. Talk to someone who is an ethnic or sexual minority about thier experiences. Talk TO them, not FOR them. Just listen. Imagine being black, Jewish, or gay, and knowing there are still groups of people who want to exterminate your family.
Nothing surprising in a country (USA), which has established itself as a government policy to hate everything that is not in its territory. Validating false wars and oppress minorities
I am wondering if the makers of this documentary will bother to inform the viewers about real racial crime statistics in America. Will this documentary discuss the incredibly high crime rate of Blacks in relation to their population percentage?
I'm not looking forward to yet an other "documentary" that furthers the false notion that proud, White men and women are the biggest threat to American society. The media in this country will earn my respect only when they put a real face on the terrible rape/murder/theft statistics in this country.
But, sadly, I'm just expecting this to be a propaganda film. I hope you prove me wrong.
Aren't the majority of these problems that people are experiencing related to classism? the top is getting more, while the bottom is getting less. No matter what race you are.
to all of the whites out there. let me say you feel threatened by us non whites. i watched date line the other dayt and found that 90% of the molesters they profiled in the sting operation was people of the caucasian origin. not mention that more and more caucasion women are being arrested for child molestation. and one more example it was not people of color shooting up the high schools. or people of color running this country. so instead of fearing us people of color maybe you should look in your own back yards so to speak. the world is a scary place. all we can do is try too live together. untill god decides it time for us all to come home. tolerence of others. and acceptance that there are evil people of all colors and there is no room for finger pointing we are all far from perfect.
caucasion people are worried about extinction! that is sooo laughable. you want to protect the values of your uropean ways. murdering an entire race of people (native americans) enslaving then trying to murder another race of people (african americans). you people domminate most of the world and yet still have something to gripe about. your history of rape and murder and zero tolerance of any culture that is not yours. people of other cultures don't want to get rid of your race we simply want to live with the same opportunities you have been afforded. when people of color extended there hands to the caucasion race it was cut off. and now even today you still want to defend thoes people and i'm using this term loosely (skin heads) there mission is what it has always been murder anyone who is not them. sounds just like the muslim extremist to me.
Hmmm, thats funny...I thought the moderator of the blog was dedicated to stamping out hate-filled tirades? Seems that dnice's entry fits that description pretty nicely...perhaps the moderator did not mean tirades referencing biased anti-white interpretations of history, then? Probably the ones you heard in college?
Dnice, practically every single ethnic group has enslaved another people or mistreated them at some point in time. To single out "whites" serves its purpose, but it is a manipulative purpose, and I am sure you know this. Even in regards to the African slave trade, you should know that there were MANY peoples involved (Jews and even the Africans themselves). Furthermore, simply because someone's skin color is white does not mean their ancestors owned slaves.
As for zero tolerance of other races, I guess you don't know much about the hierarchies-of-being in South America (Peruvians at the bottom) or especially within the Arab world. But on top of that, what race has really tolerated the other in its own land? If you honestly believe any race has, you are only kidding yourself. Part of loving one's own is protecting one's own, so this sort of behavior is not the white exception you try to portray it as, but a natural defense to be expected of all peoples.
It is true that from this instinct can come hatred for the "other", that comes with the territory, there are two sides of the coin. In fact, now we are seeing what happens when "white racism" is averted by destroying the natural appreciation of one's own.
The result is the sick society lcsweet is talking about, the one where whites should fear other whites just as much as anybody else, where certain areas are no-go regions, where nobody is to be trusted. What lcsweet doesn't realize is various deviant sex crimes and episodes where whites are hurting other whites comes from a rejection of the very racialism white skinheads preserve, a racialism where the person values the group as well as themselves. This is what the "black power" ideologues have been trying to accomplish for years. Why is brother fighting brother in the street?
There was a time when the recognition of individual self was unheard of, white nationalist ideals, like any other racialist philosophy, embodies that forgotten spirit, for better or for worse. One thing is certain, however: this spirit is the antithesis of the individualism, self-occupation, rejection of racial being, crass materialism, isolation and the constant fear of your neighbor found in the current system.
As for turning the word into one big happy economic forum of "extended hands reaching out for opportunity", there just aren't 6 billion pieces of pie to go around. Competition is already steep for select jobs that have yet to be outsourced - you want to make it even more difficult to make a decent living? Lets flood the borders, and then we can celebrate the death of our own prosperity as well as national cultural identity, too.
A lot of you are missing the bigger picture on this.
To make a claim that angry motorists are perhaps the more likely perpetrator of violent crime is ridiculous in this context. Likewise, a band of 4 breaking into a home and killing a child, although horrible, is subject to the same flaw in logic. Same goes for the other, innumerous points of contention which have been raised. These rogue violent acts lack central organization. Unless of course, perhaps the later of the two was gang affiliated (in which case there is both recent and extensive documentary work on the subject).
What causes such alarm is that there is both a body and mind to this beast, or at least this is how the subject is being approached. I’m sure that there have been rogue acts of violence from secular or pocket groups of violent white supremacists, but overall there is an undeniable organizational component at work here, and organization is everything.
I’m sure by now everyone can come to expect a certain degree of sensationalism from any form of entertainment on television, or likewise in print etc. However, I don’t feel that this synopsis is toting a new radical movement to be the next great threat in our lives (global warming holds that slot). I say wait, watch the show, see what they have to say, and then pass judgment.
every problem that occurs is about class not race white,black,and latino rich people don't harm other people the lack of money kills people
When we all realize that the black/white, gay/straight, pro-choice/pro-life crap is all a smoke screen to keep our eyes off of the real issues, and us at each others throats. The mega-corps. rape the world and slowly strip us of basic rights, and we blame each other- go after the Carlyle Group!Please wise up to the fact that race/color/gender/orientation etc. means NOTHING to the people in control- money and power matter. Domination of resources matters. Its us against them, not you against me. Kill your TV and wake up.
"It appears that skinhead groups around the country are embracing Metzger’s strategy."
This statement is totally incorrect. The direction our groups have taken are the direct result of conclusions we've reached from our experiences within the "movement" and common sense.
If we've taken a cue from anyone it would have to be Dr. Pierce. Someone who lead by example, stressing the importance of discipline, education and action. Something I went over with the director on numerous occasions.
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the only reason they are mentioning skinheads because they attack any non-white group not just blacks because if you are not anglo-saxon you are not one of them.....
This portrayal of the "American Skinhead" is very inaccurate - and bias. Not all "Racist" Skinheads thrive on violence and chaos. There are extremes in all races, all classes, everything.
I know a lot of Skinheads. I know a lot of Racialists. I should - I am one...did I mention that I am also college educated? Or a mother? How about the fact that I work 50+ hours a week to take care of my family? Or that I could be standing right next to you at the market and you wouldn't have a clue? I've never been arrested. I don't use drugs. I've never had any violent tendencies towards anyone of color. I am not covered in "racist" tattoos - nor do I desire any.
Those people (and others like them) you choose to feature in your story, are nothing but an extreme minority in our Cause, and do not represent the majority.
Listen up everyone!!!I am tired of the same old stories of "skinhead is a violent neo nazi culture".IT'S NOT!.What I would really love to see and I know alot of other Traditional Skinhead like myself would appreciate it too,the real story behind the most honorable thing to ever be and that "A Real SKINHEAD"How it really started off reggae.I know the person who seeks the adventure of making a documentary would have something they have fulfilled a great story.
My my, all the skinheads came out of the closet to comment didn't they.
Don't listen to them. WATCH this program instead and learn. It's educational. Listen and realize that they try on websites and internet forums and groups every day to manipulate you with their messages of fear and hate.
Watch this program and learn who the real enemies of America are. It's not the Muslims or the Jews, it's these good old boys trying to masquerade as respectable people who are the real threat to this country. Don't buy their nonsense, don't buy into their fear, don't buy into the racist prejudiced fear mongering or they win.
The racist skinheads are "bandwaggoning" on a movement started in class, not race. Hey racists, do what Metzger says, grow out your hair, cover your tattoos and leave it to traditionals and SHARPS. You are not real skins, period!
My My My Someone actually on here to support us real skinheads
I watched the NatGeo program on the skinheads. I can't help but feel disgust for the ugliness they are trying to spread. Too bad they are too cowardly to go fight the real enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan. Instead they'd rather spread their hatred within the SAFETY of the U.S. while the real HEROES are shedding their blood for All the people in America regardless of race and skin color. If these skinheads are not happy here then they should go live in Iceland.
I have yet to watch the documentary (plan to on Saturday night), but already, I'm getting the feeling that only the racist point of view was shown. NGC didn't have to try hard on this one obviously, as other channels such as the History Channel and A&E have already fished this lake dry. You would think a channel like National Geographic wouldn't take the easy route on such as issue as skinheads, but, I guess in the end its how many ratings you get. If they wanted to make a truly compelling documentary on the skinhead culture, they would leave the racists out. People see a documentary about this and automatically assume all skins are the same, hate spewing, flag-waving nazis. Nazi skinheads are not real skinheads. Plain and simple. Its been mentioned a couple other times in some comments here, but they seem to go unnoticed. If someone watched this documentary and felt the need to research further, they might actually realize that the number of non-racist skinheads, WORLDWIDE, outnumber the racists and nazis. Look it up sometime people. Look up Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice, look up Traditional Skinheads. Actually learn something.
Props to Trad Skins!! I was in the scene in the SE during the mid-80's, and the skins I knew had Bob Marley posters on their walls. It was only late in the 80's that racist scum started showing up and polluting the scene. Unfortunatly some felt like these turds from bigger scenes needed to be impressed, and a few followed along. The local paper even interviewed some guys, including a BLACK Skinhead- he made a joke when asked about the racism factor, told the reporter he "burned crosses". Yep, they included the quote in the story- but left out the fact that it was made by a black kid. WTF?!
My comments to this documentary simply is that society (the one that is deemed politically correct) needs to point the finger towards what is not culturally accepted in America and shun it. Racist Skinheads are everyday people who simply made a choice in life to educate themselves, each other and others of the white race of the problems that affect them and the future. I see no problem with them rallying against Illegal Immigration, a new system of government (by how ours is now it sure isn't that great) and the idea of segregation should be implemented since everything else is in this world, college funds, neighborhoods, etc. I firmly believe that in time we will accept there ideology as our own and embrace it to set new goals for ourselves and this country as white people founded.
I know many skinheads and they all have a strong hate for blacks and mexicans. Many of them were sucked into the group or taken in and paomised many things, but this dude i kno has been to prison many times for attemted murder on blacks. many skinheads fight for their belifs dont take that awat fromm them.
A reasonably decent doc. Although attempts by the producers to paint the participants as "evil" was pretty transparent, there was an element of objectivity which shown through. Interestingly, the violence engaged in by these angry White youth is microscopic when compared to the level of violence which continues to escalate throughout major metropolitan areas both in the United States and abroad. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to forsee where future tax dollars will be spent and on what.
While reading this article, and all of these comments, one question keeps running through my head:
Why can't everybody just get along?
And what's so bad about diversity? What a boring life we'd all have without it.
I think everyone needs to go to counseling and learn the word "love". Just teach your children to live good lives, to LOVE and respect THEMSELVES and EVERYONE ELSE, regardless of race or religion. It's really very simple.
P.S. The older I get, the more I believe that sometimes Kindergarteners are more wise than most adults.
I think all the hate stems from good old fashion jealously. I think people of all races who are struggling or have a very low income become jealous if they see a person of another race is stronger, successful or powerful.
I heard about the documentary a day late so I can't comment on the veracity or content of the film.
But what I feel is that it is very natural, at our most basic level to be suspicious and hostile to those who are a different from different racial or ethnic groups.
There have been studies of facial recognition and responses done where people tend to select faces similar to their own as someone "friendly" or "trustworthy".
We are of the animal kingdom and we still have those visceral responses to someone outside our tribe...yet we are also creatures blessed with reason and can and should be able to overcome SOME of our instinctive reactions. However, we really need to acknowlege that those instincts reside in us and have a primal value to our survival.
Hatred of a person based SOLEY on their race IS Racism. But acknowledging differences is not. Honoring bloodlines is not. Disliking the idea of racial homegenization is not either.
This doc is rather interesting. Coming from a middle class, European American background and residing on the Eastside of St.Paul, Minnesota, I've seen the changes that have caused so much madness here in St.Paul. St.Paul's Eastside was an all white,blue collar ethnically segregated area literally until the early 80's. Germans and Slavs on one block, Italians and Irish on the next and so forth and so on. When people from Laos, Vietnam and Chicago/St.Louis/Detroit (see projects) started to flood into Minnesota for the "social programs", and now the old Eastside has moved East or out all together (except for some of us stubborn folks). Skins I grew up with were acting on the sacrificing of "their neighborhoods" by the bureacracy, while the other sections of the city remained white. So the end of their culture, roots and of the neighborhood was the key to bringing out the "white pride". More as a defense mechanism then anything. Now our beloved Eastside is a pit, drug dealers on the street corners, prostitutes in the residential areas and gangs of all kinds constantly "shaking down" the day to day people. I'm just pointing out the truth, but you do not see white gangs, no white hustlers, no white prostitutes, etc. So, perhaps it's an issue of poverty. Well, there is more to it than that. The culture in Black America is a complete mess. No excuses, just the truth. It's rather odd that the Skinhead subculture would be broken down as a great fear of the average American. Historically speaking most people, not all, choose to associate with people who are like themselves. This should not be considered an evil, but a choice. I do not see segregation as hatred toward others, but love of my kin, my people, my way of life. I do not believe that by showing pride in my Irish, English, Welsh, or Austrian heritage makes me a "person of hate". Something has to be done, or our America will be history's Roman Empire...if it hasn't happened already. When is action considered criminal and when is it considered the fight for liberty, values and the future of my people?
Basically what I would like to see happen is a documentary on Traditional Skinheads (the ONLY skinheads as far as I'm concerned).
Continually making tv shows and documentaries about nazis is pointless. What haven't you already seen?
I know skinheads of all different ethnicities. Real Skinheads are not racist. They know where they came from and embrace their roots. I could care less about there being a new documentary about nazi skinheads. You've seen one, you've seen them all. I would rather people get educated on real skinheads. By 'real' I'm talking about the non-neo nazi's.
I agree with many people that the attempts to criminalize all Skinheads in this doc was transparent. However, it's been my experience (I'm a black male) in life with Skinheads, so-called former IRL members, and just other Americans that if you take care of YOUR business and are respectful, you live a quiet life. As for those wanting coverage of the bloods, crips, and MS-13, NGC has covered them in separate docs as well. Look up the DVD's they are actually pretty decent.
My advice to everyone:believe what you want to believe in. Just educate yourself before you start speaking on topics outside of your everyday experiences. Seriously, hip-hop is not a blueprint for black men who want to kill white people and the Skinhead movement is not the biggest threat facing non-whites in the country. That title belongs to irresponibility and self-defeating behavior!
Could you have used anymore 90's stock footage? And I love the way you used the fat guy with the beer half a dozen times. I am sure a decade old personage is fitting to the modern american skin.
'tis true Eric - unfortunately most are blinkered within our own small worlds and feel inadequately challenged to take on those that really control us. We could but we won't because our petty distractions continually give us something more tangible to help feed our burgeoning egos ;) Interesting compositions like this documentary, are really distractions and many get caught in the wave and instead of trying to swim to the side, decide to embrace the ride.
My advice to those that care: look up and see whom are holding the puppet strings - it's definitely not your fellow puppets! Wake up and feel the breeze when the lid opens occasionally. Disclaimer: Unfortunately, history shows us that we'll be too busy persecuting each other to notice!
It is very sad that when the decision was made to do a documentary on skinheads you decided to focus only on the smallest sub sect of a small underground culture. Skinheads are a very small sub culture in the US to begin with and racist skins are a tiny sub group of that. This documentary does nothing more than spread the myth that skinheads are a bunch a racists trying to take over the country. It is the same tactics various TV media outlets have been using since the 1980s.
I was just disappointed that National Geographic would stoop to such a low, going for shock and ratings instead of the truth. Documentaries like this do nothing more than create more hate against people like punks, skinheads who may look and /or dress a bit different.
Southgate, CA went from 99% white in the 40's to 1.29% white today.
When you live through the results of such dramatic leftist policies it really makes you wonder why it had to happen.
When the strawberry fields, dairy farms, avocado orchards, and orange groves turn into cement varrios manned by La Raza gangmembers bent on Reconquesta (maybe a show should be done about that) and liberals seeking to use government power in an authoritarian way to force their view of the world on everyone, the only question left is how can we turn it around and get the America we used to love so much back?
Many of us law abiding citizens who have paid our share of taxes for decades and are not racists simply don't want to ignore the dramatic changes that have swept the SouthWest, our birthplace, in a single generation but are powerless to stop it. So we vote and wait to see how far it will all go.
White supremacists are just ignorant, insecure and unintelligent people. Anybody who thinks these white supremacist groups are not violent and not a threat, should give their heads a shake. They are dangerous and very volatile. A good example of their level of violence can be observed in Surrey, Canada where five skinheads killed a Sikh caretaker of a temple. This attack was unprovoked and preplanned. Thankfully the murderers were caught. I think the police should stay on top of these white power knobs and keep hounding them and maybe in prison they can get an education as opposed to the brainwashing their getting from other tools.
I would just like to say that im not a skinhead. i believe in preserving my race. i shouldnt have to be scared of where i live or carry a weapon. why would i think to do this? because non white people are on the news every day because of violent crimes killing innocent people. i dont believe in the hate of it all, i am veryproud to be a white irish/american female. I would never have interracial relations based on the fact that i want irish american babies not MUTS! Im proud of my heritage. Im not proud that I live in a country that allows immigrants to come over and rape innocent women. Im 100% for what the skinheads are doing, and im more than willing to stand up with them in a protest to preserve the white race. Blacks are always wearing black pride/african pride clothing.. why cant i wear my white pride tee shirt without thinking im gonna get shot over it?!
okay pretty much all of the comments are retarded ...
the guy who wrote the article is right.
skinheads are probably the most dangerous people in america . they beat inocent people to death . they need to all be put to death beacause they have the most violent attitudes towards everyone . just because there white ? you think that makes you special ? ha ! dont make me laugh ....
I am a traditional skinhead. I am also a soldier in the United States Army. I have fought in Iraq and I am now serving my country in Afghanistan. I know other traditional (read: non-racist) skinheads in and out of the military. We are not concerned with politics or the preservation of the white race. We are extremely patriotic Americans from diverse backgrounds who happen to belong to a very misunderstood subculture. Even my own mother was misled by this documentary, asking me about "earning my red laces." I personally have not had a chance to see it. After reading in the above article "we decided to narrow our focus..." I immediately decided I didn't need to. Why can't anyone make a proper documentary about real skinheads? Why does every documentary about skinheads take the easy way out. I am tired of the subculture I love so dearly being misrepresented in the media. But this is nothing new. You just need the ratings, and apparently we're not that interesting. I know that most skinheads would agree that neo-nazi skins are just a bastardization of our subculture.
Hello, I have a solution/challenge for National Geographic!! I am 34 years old and have been a skinhead since probably 86-87 and have lots of skinhead friends all over the world that are younger than me all the way up to my parents age!! My challenge to N. G. is how about doing a show on the actual real subculture that started in the earlier part of the 1960's? I think your channel is awesome! Also you have the right to make a program about a very small percentage of a subculture, so why not make a program now about the bigger part of our lifestyle? You can contact me directly, Please do!!! I have been waiting for someone to do a show, or a movie that is not based on the tiny racist side of the Skinhead subculture!!! Yes there are Racist Skins but society needs to know most Skins are not racist, please show the big picture!! Anyway please contact me!
Thank You Ryan Donaldson
Only White people would put so much time, energy, and effort, into something they hate, whatta buncha dumbasses,
I dont understand the anger aganist non whites. Everybody thinks things will get better tearing races apart. If we all help each other progress then there would be less crim and more understanding of each other.
I dont understand the anger aganist non whites. Everybody thinks things will get better tearing races apart. If we all help each other progress then there would be less crim and more understanding of each other.
i dont understand why these skinhead fools think theyre achieving something, except for the same sensless brutal acts they are persecuting minorieties for, so in a sense so to speak, they are putting themselves on the same level, and are no better, not that they ever were, if they cant accept the fact that this is America, and no matter how much hate they spread among the USA, NOBODY IS GOING ANYWHERE., all the minorities will still be here, and if they cant accept that, then they should move theyre hateful asses to germany, maybe then they'll be content in theyre own pissed off worlds.
the documentary was focused on the violence of the skinheads instead of their ideals snd sandwiched some really good groups in between ignorant criminal acts and anti government extremists. White pride organizations are not "pound the non-whites" anymore. (at least the respectable ones). We realize the poisons of the media and forced homogenization of cultures. It isn't even that other cutures can't exist, it is just, we don't want to be a part of that movement and we gather out like minded people. I wish the sensationalism was not captured and that the good side of our movement was portrayed.
Damn these people are so IGNORANT, its ridiculous"TO TERMINATE WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE", Ignorance at its worst, pure, plain and simple.
Mike Sinclair,
I have a challenge for you. How about taking the few hours of footage you shot involving the KSS and make an hour long show just about that paerticular org?
Such ignorance informs such shameful words and behavior. i am white,female, beautiful i am 28, i am PHD educated and am strangely both horrified and amused by the absolute absence of comprehension and intelligence here.
Basically put... a bunch of ugly,uneducated white guys running from their trailor parks to find some one to beat down to make themselves feel powerful because they don't know how else to do it.
um Anonymous up there... YOU ARE AN immigrant or a descendant of one. WOW a new level of total stupidity. Shame on YOU!!
shame on me, you condone this IGONORANCE , Im Native American , Where did i migrate from?, this whole thing is shamfull.
zooo
America is a country that belongs to EVERYONE, not just whites. If whites are concerned about maintaining their heritage, perhaps they should move to Europe because the United States of America will always remain a diverse country accepting of all races, creeds, colors and cultures.
Lezlie Lamb:
The black culture has done alot of positive things for this country and is not a "complete" mess. You should focus instead on your own "culture" and leave the black culture alone, since you know nothing of it beyond the cheap and cliched stereotypes that you reference. St. Paul is only one of many cities in this great and diverse country that features many "minority" neighborhoods with low crime and upper middle class housing. Did you know that Prince Georges County, Maryland is the richest majority black county in the entire country that has multi-million dollar homes, good schools and relatively low crime? It's also where I grew up and received a good education so that I eventually graduted college at University of Maryland (yes, black people can graduate from college, imagine that and yes, I financed my entire education with a regular 9 to 5 job - imagine that too!) But you wouldn't know about that would you? You choose to stay in the same neighborhood complaining about the same crap about how minorities are ruining this country when it's ignorance (like the kind you've displayed in your above comment) about and lack of understanding and respect for other cultures that is ruining this country as well. Everyone deserves respect because we're all God's children, not just a select group of "certain" kinds of people. Only ignorance breeds more ignorance.
You all do know that being a Skinhead is not about racism and neo-nazism,Right? If you where to go deeper then just the sterotypes then you would find out there are many Black and Asian skinheads.
AC:
I'm glad I ventured back here! There seems to be some confusion about which post came from me.
I think you were responding to the post by Egan Phillips that came after mine. The way the posts are credited makes confusing authorship very easy.
Peace
Hasn't the Post office killed more people, overall then skinheads? Why are they considered so scary?
Also, How come modern Skinhead music sounds nothing like Black Music? Norman's shaved their heads before battle, long before blacks were anywhere near English Culture. I don't understand how someone can say that it has Black Roots. It started in England from Norman Roots.
hey well i think that all u americans hitting up on hispanics are bogus
I'm Jewish but I am very, very right-wing. I have no prob wirh skinheads as long as they don't bother me or my family because we're Jews.
Just remember, not all Jews are commies or leftist kooks. Some of us regard ourselves as White and act accordingly.
America does not belong to white people because it was already discovered by Native Americans. White people did not discover this country and therefore cannot properly "claim" it as their own.
African Americans were brought to America against their will during slavery and will continue to live here.
White plantation owners raped black women and destroyed black heritage in the process. There is no such thing as a “pure white race” or “pure black race” due to white plantation owners selfish, hedonistic acts, resulting in generations of descendants confused over their true heritages.
Therefore, America is not and will never be a homogeneous country. It is a diverse country full of many different types of persons (and immigrants) who continue to live and thrive here.
It is best that if White Nationalists are interested in preserving their heritage, they should move back to Europe, where they will live among their own.
I can't believe how many people are commenting as if this isn't a big deal. Yes, there are a lot of other things to worry about, like gangs, but what is the difference between minority gangs and skin heads? race? their motives? Skinheads are a small part of a huge problem. Whether you want to admit the importance of discussing them or not, you can not in any way say that their actions are just, or that they are not a menace to society. It doesn't matter how educated you are, they see your skin color not your brains, that is not the problem. The problem is that they OBVIOUSLY are trying to form a white revolution and if they aren't then maybe THEY should get educated and realize that that is exactly what Swasticas, which they use to mark their turf, represent. I am quite sure that if a minority gang turned their focus toward attacking whites, your view would change real quick.
I'm so sick of boneheads in the media, Bonehead meaning those racist bastards. Traditional Skins, which is what I am, deserve not to be called a Nazi everytime I leave my house. There are more skinheads in eastern asia than in america. Maybe next time you won't go for the "Obvious and Thrilling" story. but the truth and the ground breaking story.
PRIDE is beautiful when it is real pride and not just being used as a front for hatred. Real pride is about knowing who you are and where you come from. It’s about celebrating the wonderful traditions of your ancestors and teaching others about those special things that make up what you are. Real pride is being able to celebrate you, while still respecting others. REAL PRIDE is encouraged.
Everyone wants to play the role of the victim…no one wants to take responsibility for the way things are. Well the truth is…that WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE!!! In one way or another, be it directly or indirectly. Just as we all suffer from the backlash of our own ignorance, selfishness and arrogance. This world has gone to hell! It is filled with cruelty and hatred that spans to every race & every religion. The level of pain and suffering is astounding and all I ever hear from anyone (ALL RACES) is “Poor Me.” It’s easy to place blame… but what are any of us really doing to make it better?
I come from a very multi cultural back round; Black, White, Jewish & Native American (Choctaw, Blackfoot & Cherokee.) and though I am very proud of my cultural back round I don’t allow that to define who I am, only what I am. The truth is… you can be as black or as white as you want to be but at the end of the day it’s your actions that truly define who you are.
If you’re going to hate me, then hate me based on something that I, as an individual, have done to you. Don’t hate me based on the color of my skin. If I’m not mistaken, I don’t believe that any of us had the opportunity to choose.
Think about it…out of all the people that have ever screwed you, how many of them were your own?
I just got done speed reading an article that stated portions of skulls belonging to people who lived 160,000 year ago were discoverd. It facinates me that the human "race" started so long ago. It took me this long to evolve into what i am today. Today i am a proud, hard working, educated white american. I have no doubt that other races want the same equal rights that we have worked so hard for. And i know you want to steal what we have faught for, worked for, thought of, created, and defended. I do not fear extinction because i know we are strong enough to defend our white heritige here in america, as we have in europe for thousands of years. Those 160,000 year old skulls were found in africa, meaning the first humans (that we know of) probably originated in africa. History tells us the first civilizations were in africa and the middle east. apparrently our people migrated to europe and created our own race. today africa and the middle east are full of 3rd world countries, modern conflicts, and genecides. AGAINST THEIR OWN KIND! Europe and america have gotten passed all that BS and we are now and we're not going to let you interbreed and bring us back in time. I have respect for the soldiers and the fight your race is puting up, but as far as it goes we are enemies and we will never back down. We're winning to an extent but the battle is far from over.
Dear anonymous (directly above me)
You seem to be filled with such animosity, I don’t understand why. True enough there are those minorities out there whom are very vile and very vicious making this world that much harder to bear, but there are a lot of us (if not most of us) that are just the opposite. I know this because I deal with all types of people in my line of work and most of them are decent. Most of them want the same thing; to live in a peaceful world where they can be happy and raise their children in a safe and happy environment away from pedophiles, rapists, child murderers, drug dealers and gang bangers.
Generally speaking, we all harbor the same fears. We all carry the weight of the world on our shoulders. We all go through life knowing (though perhaps not harping on it) that any day our lives could be snuffed out prematurely over some BS. Speaking from a woman’s point of view, it can sometimes be really scary for us to live in this world, a world that has become increasingly hostile towards women. But we do our best to go on with our lives without holding on to bitterness and resentment towards all men.
I am a very nice person, I am educated, very law abiding and a hard worker (currently working two jobs while pursuing a music career on the side.) I don’t smoke, I don’t drink and I have NEVER done drugs (marijuana included.) All that being said…you still see me as a bad person. You would still embrace all of the Ted Bundy’s and Charles Manson’s of the world before even thinking about embracing one of me. Of course I know that if you took the time to get to know me, you would enjoy hanging out with me.
Did you know that if you lived to be 60 yrs old you would have only lived about 21,915 days? Do you realize how short that time is? Do you realize that if you were to receive 1 dollar a day it wouldn’t even equal up to the average person’s yearly salary? That is not a lot of time. Life is too short to hold on to that bitterness you seem to harbor. Wouldn’t your time be better spent focusing on what you could do to make things better for your community...your country…your planet...as opposed to focusing on how you can continue this ridiculous cycle of hatred that has been going on for centuries?
You can’t live your life focusing on the negative; it will wear you down and drain you of any happiness. Focus on the positives; try to see the beauty in the world. Focus on the positive people regardless of their ethnicity. People will surprise you when given the chance but you have to approach them with an open mind.
I could get into a history lesson, but I won’t because I’m not here to place blame nor am I here to judge you. I meant what I said above, “WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE!!!”
You people sound like a gang of cavemen to even engage in a conversation about racial supremacy...check the calendar, its 2008...It's time to take of the boots & braces, quit worrying about these stupid, petty, ancient, backwater issues. These skinhead phonies act as if it's the 19th century...and it was a dumb conversation then too! You'll never win...look around whitey, you're out numbered! And, frankly rather stupid.
Dude...completely uncalled for!
Speaking of cavemen...that "whitey" comment was pretty arcaic.
FYI: I'm not white and I thought that was rude.
My apologies...typed too fast...the correct spelling is A-R-C-H-A-I-C.
My apologies...typed to fast...the correct spelling is A-R-C-H-A-I-C.
Andre Aggro:
Come be a raver with us! You get to dance and be happy and love everyone.
It was a really hard thing to break away from that group. I wish I could hug you.
::hugs::
HEllo white pride group You guys don't own USA!!!!!
It belongs to Native, asian, mexican, muslim, and white. Seriously think straight, Not like a Nazi it's so back in the 70's GET OVER IT!!! DEAL WITH MEXICAN!!!!, gosh come up with something different. YOU GUYS WON'T WIN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!! Also skinhead and white pride is a stupid name i ever seen. I'm half white.
This film was a fiasco,who made it? the mexican government?
martin mickey mouse coxsuker
martin mickey mouse coxsuker
Thank you Rob, agreed!
I've got to say, I've never seen a group of so many ignorant people who claim to know what they are talking about as I've seen on "American skinheads" today.
PLEASE, before you go through all the trouble and put in all of the money and broadcast something like that, KNOW YOUR FACTS AND SHARE THE TRUTH. All skinheads are NOT racists. In the beginning of the program, a brief history of where "American Skinheads" got their style from is mentioned (1960's British working class) true but I guess it was not as interesting to mention that these racists stole the title skinhead from the "British working class" Is it too much trouble to mention that real skinheads came from British youth interested in Jamaican music and working class ethics? That this movement was started because of the Jamaican immigrants and so really to call yourself a skinhead and to be white power is PURE IGNORANCE. This movement did not stop in the 60's there are still millions of skinheads all over the world that are anti-racist into ska, soul, scooters, football and have strong working class values and this scene has NOTHING to do with the color of their skin.
Please people, google skinheads and find out the true history. It is a worldwide scene and these racists should not be able to take anything away from it.
Thank you Rob, agreed!
I've got to say, I've never seen a group of so many ignorant people who claim to know what they are talking about as I've seen on "American skinheads" today.
PLEASE, before you go through all the trouble and put in all of the money and broadcast something like that, KNOW YOUR FACTS AND SHARE THE TRUTH. All skinheads are NOT racists. In the beginning of the program, a brief history of where "American Skinheads" got their style from is mentioned (1960's British working class) true but I guess it was not as interesting to mention that these racists stole the title skinhead from the "British working class" Is it too much trouble to mention that real skinheads came from British youth interested in Jamaican music and working class ethics? That this movement was started because of the Jamaican immigrants and so really to call yourself a skinhead and to be white power is PURE IGNORANCE. This movement did not stop in the 60's there are still millions of skinheads all over the world that are anti-racist into ska, soul, scooters, football and have strong working class values and this scene has NOTHING to do with the color of their skin.
Please people, google skinheads and find out the true history. It is a worldwide scene and these racists should not be able to take anything away from it.
Thank you Rob, agreed!
I've got to say, I've never seen a group of so many ignorant people who claim to know what they are talking about as I've seen on "American skinheads" today.
PLEASE, before you go through all the trouble and put in all of the money and broadcast something like that, KNOW YOUR FACTS AND SHARE THE TRUTH. All skinheads are NOT racists. In the beginning of the program, a brief history of where "American Skinheads" got their style from is mentioned (1960's British working class) true but I guess it was not as interesting to mention that these racists stole the title skinhead from the "British working class" Is it too much trouble to mention that real skinheads came from British youth interested in Jamaican music and working class ethics? That this movement was started because of the Jamaican immigrants and so really to call yourself a skinhead and to be white power is PURE IGNORANCE. This movement did not stop in the 60's there are still millions of skinheads all over the world that are anti-racist into ska, soul, scooters, football and have strong working class values and this scene has NOTHING to do with the color of their skin.
Please people, google skinheads and find out the true history. It is a worldwide scene and these racists should not be able to take anything away from it.
It's funny how white supremacist groups are trying to convey their message using the Internet more and more. But the Internet has developed largely in part due to engineers and computer programmers from Middle Eastern and Asian backgrounds working in companies in Silicon Valley to further enhance it. Silicon Valley is filled with non-white immigrants. How do you think the Internet became the dominant force it is today? If it weren't for the Asian brainiacs, people would still be communicating via smoke signals.
The computers that the messages are delivered on are built and designed in large part by Asian companies, including chip makers and semiconductor manufacturers like Hynix Corp., Samsung.
So if white supremacist groups truly hated non-white people, then why use the technologies that have been built and designed by in a large part by non-whites??? This makes no sense. I guess there's no such thing as true white power after all.
I thought skinheads were all about white skin... then how come they cover themselves up in black ink with tattoos?
Oh, by the way, I was referring to the racist skinheads!
How could racist skinheads not be portrayed as violent and a threat to society - it plainly
outlined by Martin Cox to NG:
"Martin Cox defends the use of violence to further the skinhead’s racist cause. Cox told us that, 'The time for talking in this country is over. Rallies, marches…those are old school. It’s time to start killing.'"
I don't think anyone can be more clear than that. And then people wonder why others are afraid of (racist) skinheads?
It may be true that blacks kill each other at a higher rate, especially in urban ghetto areas, along with gangs of other nationalities, but they don't kill each other based on race, while skinheads do kill each other just based on another person's race.
Black Power!
Brown Power!
White Power!
Yellow Power!
Human Power!
Honestly, we all the same colored blood.
How come these racist skinheads still allow people with black / brown hair into their groups.
I mean, shouldn't they being going for the ultimate look:
white skin, blonde hair, blue eyes?
What a bunch of idiots.
Larry Renforth, that's a great point. Their radio equipment is probably also foreign, as are the TV's sets they own, and components in their cars. These racist skinheads have been influenced drastically by non-white people in every aspect of their life, whether they know it or not, or like to admit it or not.
I'm guessing it's more than safe to assume these racist skinheads don't watch things like the NBA or NFL, or listen to rap music, but what about when watching TV or movies, that have non-whites in them, do they change the channel immediately, or leave the movie theatre? Pathetic.
okay, okay. we see why it could be easy to condone hate against black people; their culture is at times hostile and irreasonable- but so are white people. White people have also become so defensive that some red necks are just about as stupid and violent as "ghetto black people" i say that let us get them together so that they kill each other and leave the rest of the population alone.
Larry, you're a genius. Go look up the email addresses of most of these racist skinhead organizations, and you'll see they either use hotmail or yahoo as their address.
Hotmail was created by an Indian guy, and Yahoo, was founded in part by Jerry Yang. So with these racist skinhead organizations signing up with Yahoo, they are putting money into the pockets of a Chinese American who is worth 2.3 billion dollars!!!
Ha, that's hilarious... the skinheads are supporting non-whites without even knowing it. Awesome!
I hope they're all reading this... and from me and my fellow programmers in Silicon Valley, thanks for the support, even though your views are whacked.
I wish NG would actually get a move on and put this DVD up for sale on the shop site. I'd like to show it to my students (I teach a college class on race.) NG has some really great programs but they can be IMPOSSIBLE to find (our libraries don't have most of them either.
Great documentary though!
OMG, that's amazing Larry. I never would have thought about it like that.
And Peter, that's good that you followed up and looked at the email addresses.
I mean, are these racist skinheads that lost that they don't even know who they're supporting when they're using technology? Sad that they stand for white power and all that crap, but rely heavily on non-whites for help with their organization.
Hotmail and Yahoo, lol. That's awesome.
I just want to point out the fact that the people at national geographic are only promoting this misconception of skinhead culture. Although you mention the existence of non-racist skinheads, you have decided to "narrow the focus" unto only racists, and you don't appear to have any follow-up articles on the Trojan skins or SHARPS. It may not be as interesting on the surface to do a piece on the traditional skinheads, you may find that we are full of culture and belief's that go to the core of most people. We have a rich history that, to me, is more interesting than the whole white power cliche article. I support the working class, despite color, race, or even political belief (WP or SHARP). In my eyes, if you can put those politics second, and avoid preaching, than and only than, are you a true skinhead.
I've seen this documentary and many other ones similar to it, like the history channels gangland on aryan brotherhood. the thing that I find most frustrating is that during these hour long specials, there is at most only 30 seconds explaining that NOT ALL SKINHEADS ARE RACIST! There is a strong culture to being a traditional skinhead that is based on reggae music from jamaca. the start of the skinhead cult needs to be better explained in these specials. the fact that it is hardly mentioned that NOT ALL SKINHEADS ARE RACIST is the reason why the public is so nieve and believes that anyone with a crop top and boots is a nazi!! i can't emphasize my frustration enough, especially because i'm from maryland.
STAY ON THE STREETS
Sean Gillespie
I appreciate being sent a copy of the "All The Way" newspaper,
as well as receiving the Internet-address of the Nationalists, so
that I may obtain further information. My wife, Brandi, is going to
look it up and send me reprints. Yes, I did pay a heavy price by
getting a thirty-nine-year sentence for doing $250.00 worth of
damage to a synagogue, especially considering that I had no prior
criminal-record to be used against me. However, I will always be
secure in my racialist-beliefs, the way Nationalists have stated them.
I respect the choice Nationalists have made in promoting legal-means
in fighting for our cause. Others have told me the same thing and
have been quite upset with me, because I acted otherwise. I was
worth more on the streets, I have been told. Were I back on the
streets, I would not be "going to war," but I would be fighting back,
if cornered. People who employ "actions," rather than "words," are
not necessarily bad or wrong, but they simply must separate
themselves from those who do not countenance illegal-activities.
In my case, I do not regret my actions, but, in hindsight, I can
see how I had achieved more for my blood and people by being
a Skinhead working-man, on the streets, policing my neighborhood
against minorities, druggies and perverts. I, also, accomplished
more by passing out literature and recruiting school-kids. But,
that is the past. Hopefully, one day, maybe soon, I can get out
of prison and stay legal. I am working on it and will keep everyone
posted on how things are going. Again, my thanks to my comrades.
http://www.skinheadz.com/docs/instruct/2008/040201.html
© 2008 Skinheadz
i am black and i do not mind white people or people of any other race for that matter wanting to preserve their culture but when it becomes violent to the point where murdering some1 or their families because their are not of their race that being racist point blank!
you should do a documentary on non racist skinheads since they were around first and they are still the majority within the skinhead subculture, plus the fact that the liberal beeding heart media only shows racist skins all the time when true skinheads dont even give boneheads the title of skinhead since they just stole a style of dress. it would just be nice if the public was educated on it instead of having untruths pushed down their throats even more... dont be as ignorant as those whom you interview...
I lived with the leader of MDS and he is a great guy. A little boistorus and loud at times but a good man none the less. I have also met many members of the KSS. They are a little more on the Oi style of things but once you get to know them, you can see that all they are trying to do is preserve our Ero-American heritage...Northern Eruopeans UNITE.
Sickle Cell Anemia^^^THE GREAT WHITE HOPE!!!
Did I miss something in these statistics??
Hate crimes on whites, white women and children??
Hate crimes on Americans by illegal aliens( all colors)??
Where are these statistics?
Now reporting crimes by truth telling promotes
hate, let us not say that five black men killed a disabled 11 year old girl, OR THAT illegal aliens killed 4 black college kids in Newark, NJ and leave out of the story one girl's face was sliced off by a machete because the truth will promote hate.
What PROMOTES HATE IS THE CRIMINALITY AND HORRIFIC BRUTALITY OF THE CRIME NOT REPORTING THE TRUTH.
Those involved in collecting these statistics need to do a full job of collecting data instead of looking for the outcome they want.
Why not collect all the data of how many Americans are killed everyday by illegal aliens from DWI deaths? And let the truth be told.
I'm a Skinhead and I am 100% against Nazism. I'm Against the Extreme left and the Extreme Right. Why not do a article on Skins that don't like extreme labels like "Nazi", "SHARP", or "Commie"?
It really has hit home talking about skinheads (white) racist people "fightig" for whites. Ths is ok with whit people, but when a coloured person tries to defend himself/herself, there is a huge outcry of terrorist activities rendering fear in peoples heart. Why cant' Bush attack these people as they are putting fear in people's hearts?
I don't understand why people are being so racist on here.I'm white and know a lot of people from different racial backgrounds.I haven't had any problems with most of them.Many black guys in my school date white girls or Asian girls and there's nothing wrong with that.One of my best friends is Hispanic,and she's super cool and amazing.Personally,I wish my school was more diverse because diversity is cool.Why are you hating on immigrants(LEGAL ones)?Didn't our ancestors come from other countries,which makes us practically immigrants too?
This is all crap its the news media thats helping them grow. Skinheads have been here since the 60's. All you media people need to do some research on your storys before you start telling every one your crap. If your a racist you cant be a skinhead. The people you are talking about are not real they are products of your media. you people made them every time you make a show and display Them you make more. There are Skinheads EVERY WARE BLACK, WHITE , YELLOW , FAT , SKINNY, GAY, Real skinheads are people of all walks of life the Neo-Nazis and your media has given skinheads a bad name. If you want to help stop them stop displaying them. Start Showing the world the good in people.
Im a 33 year old skinhead of 18 years now and im NOT racist.
Yo white bald creature!!!
the 2nd coming of Little Big Horn waits for you...
You butchered my ancestors and enslaved Africans to build your "empire" and now you suffer... Boo Hoo!
Go back to Europe!!!
Exchange your gun racks for a moped... white is such a bland color...
You are PATHETIC!!!!!
I think the fact that people on this blog are complaining about how bias this documentary could be is ridiculous. These people, whether more threatening to society or not, have these ideals set up that the white race is the only superior race out there, that whites are better and more important than anyone else. It's all a stupid theory.
The guy in the show says that the whites are the one who founded this country and that it's "our" land. The whites took it from the Native Americans. They didn't do anything but steal it and say it was theirs.
They're whole mentality is a ridiculous joke.
Then the same guy talked about how the world has "blinders" set up and that we only see one thing or some crap. The skinhead mentality is totally guided by those blinders.
I have somewhat support for those skinheads who are against violence and racism. Their ideals atleast make sense. The rest is all bull.
i just commented this blog, but i decided to read all the comments... well most of them.
&& everyone says the exact same thing.
the whole point of the documentary is to spread to the world what the skinhead groups are like.
i didn't even think these groups still exsisted today because well it's 2008 && you would think that everyone would realize how stupid it is.
i understand the stuff about how white people are loosing jobs && how mexicans are crossing the borders, but why is it that whites are superior to everyone else?
that makes no sense && like it or not is racist.
the documentary spoke to real member of skinhead groups && societies. if you're a skinhead && you feel you were not honestly portrayed fairly... you should've volunteered to be in the film.
if i, a sixteen year old, see how wrong this could be, that in our society, people still show some racism and hate towards any group that isn't white && other people can't.... well that's pretty screwed up.
although we're all entitled to our opinions, i personally don't think that these groups are correct and that they are based on uncircumstantial, fake idealistic mentalities.
that's my opinion, if i'm wrong, okay.
but it still seems wrong that people still think this way.
to Victoria:
The producer of this film clearly wasn't interested in interviewing Traditional Skinheads, so the people who are trying to give information about the real origin of Skinhead culture through their posts here wouldn't have been able to be interviewed - that wasn't the focus of this documentary. Please take this opportunity to do some research about the true origins instead of being influenced by the narrow focus of this program. Wikipedia is a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead
I think it's sad that only within the past week have I , a 28-year-old, found out that real Skinheads are not racist and the portrayl of Skinheads have been twisted through the media exactly like in this program. I hope the boneheads do grow out their hair and stop co-opting other peoples' social movements.
to Josette:
wikipedia is not a credible source.
It doesn't matter what any of these "Anti-Hate" commies say, it's not going to change the fact that we believe in what we believe in. We don't question the fact that American men today want to mate with other American men, so shut the hell up.
I would like to say... I know Martin Cox, and was very proud of him on this documentary. He spoke truth. I am soon going to be in my own documentary, hopefully everyone will watch and understand us whites on a deeper level. I discussed more of the philosophy than the plan...
ANOYMOUS SAID
''I lived with the leader of MDS and he is a great guy. A little boistorus and loud at times but a good man none the less.''
LOL ALL I CAN SAY IS HOW MANY TIMES DID THE STEROID FREAK RAPE AND BEAT YOU
I once was a WP(white pride) skin, so I have nothing bad nor good to say about this series. I didn't leave the movement because I thought they were corrupting me, but because life goes on, and people grow.
The reason I am posting this is to clear up some information that is wrong...
"It’s one of those places you pass on your daily commute, but you never really see. A non-descript set of railroad tracks bending through a small ravine under a super highway. Thousands of people race by this spot every day without any idea that a man’s life ended just 60 feet below them. His name was Randy Townsend and his attackers were part of a racist skinhead club called the Tacoma Skinhead Movement. Three men and a pregnant woman beat and kicked Randy to death so they could achieve a sense status within their club by earning the right to wear red bootlaces.
I first saw this place when Detective Jeff Shipp of the Tacoma Police Department, who worked the murder investigation, took our camera crew there." -Mike Sinclair - Executive Producer
First off, Yes, Randy did die, but not on location of the attack that took place. He passed away over a week later in ICU in a Seattle local hospital from his attack. Beaten and kicked with a baseball bat, but not quit to death. yes, they were doing it for the girl to get her laces, but the reason they attacked him, was due to hating "drugies", which they claimed he admitted to being on crack( not saying this gives them any more right).
Also, This "Tacoma skinhead movement club" never existed. It was a name the Tacoma police gave 3 kids. In which only one of them, other local skins would have considered to be a fellow skin. Some sites say he was the leader of the Washington state chapter of Volksfront, not true.
You may be asking, how does she really know all of this...? Well, I was present at the arrest of one(from my car) and also was present during a raid the Police did on my home in which the detective informed me of Randy's death which happened that morning. Also, the local news did a story on the event. They gave names of all involved, and date of which Randy passed. So, it is locally known that the information about Randy's death given here, is incorrect."On March 23, Pierce County prosecutors say, four white supremacists ran into Townsend on the railroad tracks under the East 26th Street bridge, not far from the makeshift camp he called home.... Townsend, 42, died at Harbor-view Medical Center in Seattle on April 12." -Stacey Mulick
If you were to look up information, some of it is still incorrect. Even most of the news tried to claim he died on site, but records do show he died at that hospital, not at the scene of the crime.
quotes are sited from this URL (http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/crime/2007/04/13/book_closes_on_2003_beating_death_of_hom)
-Jacky
wow ok i am watching and posting at the same time, i don't know if these people actually cause a lot of violence but either way this is a really bad episode! Normally i love watching this channel but when that man came up and said "we need to kill them and if it takes putting a gun to their head and saying leave us alone then we will" then i realized that this is not right.Although i don't think that this show was ment to be racist and it was ment to be more informational, i think that this is very racist and although they might not kill too many people, i think that it is also pretty scary. We should not interview these people and we really shouldn't let them say what they want to say. They are not normal people they are haters, and they admit it! these people should not be on tv and should not speak their opions freely especialy when it is threatening! if you haven't noticed i do not have perfect spelling but please ignore that. Is it llegal to let them threaten mexican immigrants on tv?? These are violent people that hate and kill people for not being perfect they are not good people, they are mean and in my opionion unhuman.What is wrong with te picture on my tv? ITS RACIST!
I am here to say that I am a "non-white" Canadian and the skinhead movement is on the rise here in Toronto. I see some skinhead activity targeting people who are doing some things that they shouldn't be doing. There is an alarming rise of brutal home invasions and shootings here not to mention rapes and other horrible acts against our "fellow man". I have been though many hardships and have learned how to survive the hard way. When I leave my home I am armed and ready for battle. The odd thing is I do hang around with a select few skinhead friends or "comrades". They are not white power or white supremacist but traditional skinheads or Irish skinheads but also have racist values. I also have racist beliefs and have every right to.
I see so many immigrants invading this country and spreading disease, poverty, drugs, prostitution, and gangsterism. It is sickening and I have teamed up with my "comrades" for the race war. I have been beaten brutally and bludgeoned by an African American, Native American, and White person. I now have been through the ranks of violence and can fight back with sheer aggression and insane brutality IF NEEDED. I have installed some family members with these racial values who thought they were wrong but after witnessing what is happening in OUR country they agree. If people are doing what they are supposed to be doing and minding their own business chances are they will not be caught in "the line of fire". I am not in favor of white supremacy and when I gather with my radical comrades we are stronger and united and our family members are much "safer".
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