I know what that's like I have straight edge tattooed on my forearm and I have many tattoos of straight edge my mom was a drug addict and abused alcohol I vowed to never be like that because she was never around and hurt our family, I never got into the straight edge crews because I knew of the consequences if I had joined them. I can barely wear a shirt that says straight edge without getting hassled by police officers, but I live for being drug free and clean I teach my brothers and sisters to stay clear of the temptations of drugs and alcohol, mostly because I've had so many loved ones and close friends die of drug overdoses and alcohol related collisions.

This is the DUMBEST club I’ve ever heard of. If you personally don’t want to participate with drugs or alcohol then don’t, but don’t form a militant group to hurt the people who do. Or hurt the ones who are selling it, law enforcement exist for a reason. This world doesn’t need a group of testosterone soaked immature boys offending people that are trying to get by or enjoy their lives the way they choose. We live in America and have the right to choose what we want, whether its a bad or good choice. This reminds me of another club called the Nazi's, these people hurt Jews, blacks, mentally challenged…etc. All because they didn’t participate in what they believed to be "the right thing to do." This is sick & sad. For the people who don’t go bashing in peoples faces for having a good time more power to you. Live your life without forcing your beliefs otherwise you’ll be just like idiots causing pain to others, but you’ll be doing it verbally rather than physically.

This is the DUMBEST club I’ve ever heard of. If you personally don’t want to participate with drugs or alcohol then don’t, but don’t form a militant group to hurt the people who do. Or hurt the ones who are selling it, law enforcement exist for a reason. This world doesn’t need a group of testosterone soaked immature boys offending people that are trying to get by or enjoy their lives the way they choose. We live in America and have the right to choose what we want, whether its a bad or good choice. This reminds me of another club called the Nazi's, these people hurt Jews, blacks, mentally challenged…etc. All because they didn’t participate in what they believed to be "the right thing to do." This is sick & sad. For the people who don’t go bashing in peoples faces for having a good time more power to you. Live your life without forcing your beliefs otherwise you’ll be just like idiots causing pain to others, but you’ll be doing it verbally rather than physically.

i am just confused. i guess i am just old and i remember that straight edge kids were just good kids into punk rock and hardcore. this is just crazy and i am confused.

i am just confused. i guess i am just old and i remember that straight edge kids were just good kids into punk rock and hardcore. this is just crazy and i am confused.

I also I agree with Joseph. It is not a club it is a self vow and commitment to stay away from drugs and alcohol. And for your information not all edge people turn to violence to show their commitment to the group or their belief. Next time really pay attention to the show and do more research before you bash on straight edge people.

GOD DAMMIT I DONT KNOW WHAT FUCKING CHANNEL THIS IS ON THIS WEBSITE SUCKS FAT COCK

Apparently, Daniel has missed the entire point of straight edge, as most people have. But it's fine, I hope he's seen the documentary now and had some light shed on straight edge. Straight edge is not a movement, it is quite simply a way of life. We have no religious, political, or otherwise agenda. It's not a club, gang, crew, or party. Just a lifestyle...pretty simple really.

I was very interested to see an interview with a straight edge police officer. Having just finished the police academy and having been straight edge the last 5 years of my life, it's not very often you find people like this. I have also experienced negative reactions from friends, since it's such an "un-pink" thing to do. I don't think I've ever used the term straight edge to describe my non-use of drugs or alcohol in background investigations for police departments, and in my area, I really don't think they would know what it meant. Only in places where police have had problems with violent people who present themselves as straight edge, such as in Reno or Las Vegas, do police departments seem to have any notion of what straight edge means.

On a side note, I heard the singer of Chain of Strength went on to be a police officer as well.

Jus sayin'

this was a god show except for people like (Daniel)saying all of us are millitant and destructive because we are not all like that. there is way more positive (posi) than negative things about sXe.
if she could worry about her drinking and drugs and not say stuff about us that would be great.
Xstraight edgeX for life

Daniel, you need to learn to listen. The narrator said numerous times that the millitant straight-edge groups only make up a small percentage of the overall straight-edge population. Straight-edge isn't a "club" it is a personal choice. People don't claim Edge to be part of a group. Straight-edge kids don't walk around beating up drug dealers. The violence involved in a straight-edge kid's life would still exist even if straight-edge didn't. All of the violent situations that I have been involved with had nothing to do with my claim of straight-edge, they were over friendship. Personally, I have the biggest problem with fake people, kids that claim edge but it isn't in their hearts. Kids who claim edge and then break it are more proned to being attacked than a drug dealer.

true til death
-xclayx

First off, how do you talk about the Reno scene without mention of 7 Seconds? Oh, wait... you're only focusing on the straight edge scene as being gang related and don't care to look into the history of the positive aspects. Even looking into the "gang" related parts of the scene you've totally missed the boat as well. You give tons of credit to FSU yet fail to mention the Boston Wolfpack from the early '80's and bands like SSD, DYS, Negative F/X etc.
And what's with Thurston Moore narrating? How about any of the other folks actually involved in the early sxe scene? Not just someone involved in punk. Might as well have had Jimmy Gestapo narrate. But his name's probably lost on you.

I wasn't going to get into this discussion but I wanted to address the guy who said, in a comment above me, that most hardcore and straight edge kids are in crews.

That is simply untrue. That may be the case in your area, but I've been across the country and visited hardcore scenes in small towns and major cities and can honestly say that the percentage of hardcore or punk kids involved in crews or worse, gangs, is pretty low. It's simply non-existent in many scenes and in others it's closer to 5% or 10% of the over all population at best. Again, it may be that your part of the country has more crews, or more people in crews, but over all I just don't feel that's accurate.

My thoughts in general on the documentary...

The thing to keep in mind, and the thing that this documentary sadly choose to ignore in favor of sensationalism, is that the sort of kids predisposed to join a gang will make any social interst they have into a gang activity. If a kid likes baseball, he or she's going to form or join a baseball gang, if a kid like knitting, she or she's going to join or form a knitting gang. Those are ridiculous examples but the point is that it's the kid, not the lifestyle.

Suggesting that straight edge, which is as much a personal code of ethics, or a discipline to live by, is a gang is both short sighted and reckless. I'm 35, I've been straight edge just shy of 20 years and I can't even remember the last time I got into a fight.

It's a shame you chose to devote the majority of the program you created to portraying straight edge this way.

Daniel:
So you're fine with the drug dealers standing on the corner selling their junk to kids, ruining lives, breaking up homes? That's neat. You sound like one of the great humanitarians. Also, excellent comparison to the Nazis; they wanted to get rid of an entire people and we want to get drugs and alcohol out of our neighborhoods. Brilliant.

This documentary and the kids in it make straight edge look ridiculous. I realize that this might be "good news" and boost ratings, but I would have expected something a little less one sided and more current. This was sensationalism at its finest.

Nat Geo fell short big time on this one.
However, what can I expect? I would have preferred to watch a set by The First Step instead. (Or Insted)

this show only scratched the surface of hardcore. yeah... edge was created in washington but what bout all the bands that are not straight edge that have contributed so much to the scene? Bryan from DBD, white trash Rob from ramallah, a whole bunch of kats from FSU. Sworn enemy, Death Threat, blood 4 blood. I dont believe NGC did enough research. yea straight edge is a big part of hardcore but there are many more aspects to it than that. Like standing up for yourself and your friends, and not taking b/s from bullies Im not edge, but i respect it and i still believe in what is was created for... in the words of scott vogel
"Its about friendship, honesty, commitment
and searching and looking for justice
in this messed up world.
Its about living your life for yourself, and no one else.
Be yourself, and be happy.
screw everybody that tells you whats right and whats wrong.
Look in your heart." This is what hardcore is and im sure a lot of people will beg to differ but thats what is and nothing more. Its bout finding yourself and finding friends and family where you had none. I honestly believe that NGC could have covered the other aspects of hardcore. The scene that i come from is of CO-EXISTANCE. Straight edge or not. Its bout the music and the principles. Next time, NGC should do a little more home work b4 you belittle our kind with your stupid media b/s. You totally blew this out of proportion... oh yeah not mention all the hypocrisies that were coming out of those kids mouths. this show was a JOKE. NGC knows nothing and neither does John Q public bout the real world of hardcore

Posted by archie | April 10, 2008 7:15 PM

dude this bout NGC's misinterpretation of our lifes not bout personal grudges. I dont care what you think of vogel but dude seriously c'mon your trying to tell me that that is not what hardcore is bout?

To mikey ive been all over to shows also and i can tell ya if you are new to the scene the crews or other HxC kids hate mosh on you try to fight you,and up in NY and Boston, PA, all around up there ya have FSU,BFL, acting as bouncers or tough guys,ever since Boston Beatdown has the hardcore scene changed with everyone trying to be so militant. just look on myspace at pictures of SxE and hardcore kids holding guns bats and so fourth trying to look all bad ass and tough guys.Hardcore is about unity hardcore is about the music.not how tough you are how good you dance..or how tight your jeans are how how cool your bullet belt looks turned sideways.Belive what ever you want to belive if your straight edge,vegan holligan,skinhead,punk whatever....preach it through ya music...caue music is more powerful then a fist or a bat. im out peaxc

woops, I didn't mean to use the word contributed above

life love regret
I LOVE YOU AND UNBROKEN
and this hating on straight edge has to stop
the is the biggest load of crap ive heard EVER
im 18 years old and on my 6th year of straight edge
call it a "gang" call it a "crew" call it whatever but were here now
and have been for ovr 20 years
and belive me
YOUR not going to be the ones to stop us....

I am the mother of a 23yr. old young man who has been straight edge since he was 14.I couldnt be more proud of his dedication to living a positive lifestyle. How he chooses to showcase his passion (with tatoos) is as far as im concerned admirable.The truth is I have only seen positive things come from this lifestyle, and again,could not be more proud!

I am the mother of a 23yr. old young man who has been straight edge since he was 14.I couldnt be more proud of his dedication to living a positive lifestyle. How he chooses to showcase his passion (with tatoos) is as far as im concerned admirable.The truth is I have only seen positive things come from this lifestyle, and again,could not be more proud!

daniel..are you that naive

drugs are against the law, right?

Well, bottom line, people who break the law live out side the law. Cops are lenient with drugs, and there ARE loop holes within the law. There are no loop holes in a fist. You are right though, people do have the right to choose. Some choose to stand up for what they believe in, and some don't.

straight edge is for fags

It was a pretty good doc. for mainstream t.v., it covered the posi kids, the crew kids, the young naive kids... I've been sXe for 12 years now, seen kids come and go. The bottom line is, you gotta do it for yourself. If you do it to impress others, you are gonna find who your true friends are in the long run.

I second what Steve said about Thurston Moore narrating... what an odd choice! Jimmy Gestapo narrating would've been even more outlandish "QUEST FOR HERB!" Also what he said about the older Boston crews from the mid to late 80's... and last time I was in the NE area, not all FSU kids were/are sXe?!

As far as sXe being a gang - REAL gangs, KILL each other over stupid things like "territory". The most you hear about sXe kids getting into fights or beatdowns, usually ends in broken egos. This is my opinion

u suck butt

As Jeremys dad I read this article knowing some background about the subject of my son and his involvement with the straight edge movement.
There are some items of this story I would like to comment on.
First of all I am very proud of my son, and the accomplishments he's made in his life. Also I guess I should be greateful that I can always , at least, be used as a bad example. Because I was not a good person, back then.
However, I want to state that despite all of my faults, and there were many, I always had a full time job. Not quite the dead beat this article makes me out to be. And I provided as much to my family as I could. Yes, even as much, as his 'long suffering' Mother, if not more, finacially at least. Yes, I was an alcoholic, and "frequented the local jails," and later prisons. My recreational alcohol use led me to become an abuser. That created a lot of problems in my, and my family's, lives.
But that has all changed. As a result of a head injury, and treatment for psychological problems realated to it. I was diagnosed with ADD, and a bipolar disorder. I take medication for these and I have made a great improvements in my life. It is my belief that I had some of these illness before my brain injury, and I was self medicting with alchohol. I am sober for a few years now. And my life is so much better. Though I can't change my past. I can choose not to live that way today. I hope I have a better relationship with my children because of this. If Jeremy chose SXE because he didn't want to be like me, he made the right choice. I wouldn't of wanted him to be like me. He has also made me proud that he overcame the violent aspects of it, and has become a really good police officer.
Again, I am very proud of him.
If anyone chooses to become straight edge, do so for the right reasons. Stay straight, No Drugs, No Alcohol. Don't be caught up in the gang mentality of violence. True Sraight edge is non violent!
Live Free!
-Jeff Nelson

Hi

i want music of National Geographic chanel.

thanx