I have a perfect model that could easily prove WTC were not brought down by aircraft and Kerosene --YES Jet /Fuel is basically purified Kerosene and anti freezing chemicals added- just like one can buy for home heaters. A Model framework about 50 or 60 feet high with lots of girders and way to prove no plane brought them down. I burned 1/8th steel model all day in raging fire exploded granite rock and no bending or even cracking on thin thin steel ---check out my site on youtube....deltaalpha21074

I'm not so sure I believe you!

I never heard of "Super Thermite".....or something you can Paint on....but many field manuals describe gel based substances like Napalm that are designed to cling to a structure to cause burning on the surface.....

Thermite is mostly iron oxide (rust) and magnesium.......a flange exactly the kind made on the show to hold iron oxide with a magnesium ribbon....with burns with the oxide and pours out molten iron out the bottom.....is a well known industrial process to weld train tracks directly in the field to reduce costs....the heat increases downward at the line between the oxide and the molten iron.....

Had the thermite been poured inside the rod...a downward cone of increasing heat would result...the brilliant burst we saw on the show would create a thermal zone that would make it difficult for the hottest area of the thermite to release heat through the flames....and thus, heat would be more effectively transfered to the wall of the beam.....if the thermite were poured inside...

AND....as far as Thermite that CLINGS to the walls.....iron is magnetic.....and thermite powder would be attracted to magnets and electrical fields....

AND...two dissimilar metals such as magnesium and iron oxide or aluminium oxide induce electrical charge and can be electroplated....the rumor of "Super thermite"is plausible in physics as something that brings the metalic elements of thermite closer together....and they would respond to magnetism....

but then again...all thermite does.....but not the magnesium....

Very upset about the program. NatGeo failed to answer anything except just show the same tests that have been shown for the past 8 years, and left out everything that still cant be answered by "officials"; building 7 collapse, planes vanishing for the first time in history after a crash, the loud explosions heard at both ground zero and the pentagon, the phone calls made in air with 100% perfect connectivity, Presidents Bushes slip ups, the stock options put on American Airlines and Boeing... Those are just a small fraction of what I want answers for .. NatGeo , you have just fueled the minds of the people who still want answers.

I'm disturbed that Nat Geo aired this program. While I agree that many intepretations are open to speculation, my issue comes from the Pentagon recreation. I didn't feel the model was built properly to scale and the explosives placed within the model, instead of outside, was a pointless example. If you place an explosive into a confined space, of course it will obliterate it. But if you place it on the outside, where a supposed hit could land, you will have a different outcome. Then there is the tail wing, which was far larger that the initial hole. Where was it? We had debris, but no real evidence of a plane crash in my opinion.

The entire program was an attack on the conspiracy theory and those that support it. I watched a program the other day while at work on PBS that had a lot of interesting info. Initial reports said a missile had hit the Pentagon. They announced the collapse of Building 7 before it ever happened; it had very minor structural damage. Multiple reports of hearing an explosion before the first plane ever hit the WTC. Why where these not addressed in this program? If you can't take all the supporting evidence and address it, of course the theory will not stand!

The most controversial aspect of 9/11 truth is not the demolition. It's this:
http://www.breakfornews.com/Mohammed-Atta.htm
Why would a devout muslim visit strip clubs and drink liquor? Because he was a pilot working for huffman aviation flying in... dope. Atta had no hope of paradise and probably no motive for suicide

If you don't feel like distilling down the unproveable arguments from the yes men and the truthers then watch this presentation.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3857917663523144457

This is the absolute worst thing I've seen NGC do.
I do'nt even know where to begin...I wo'nt even try.

I'll just say that I have made simple thermite in my garage of which a small pile would easily burn right through an engine block... The iron oxide/ aluminum powder ratios can be altered, thus giving differing results. The test involving thermite was a joke !

pls, just youtube "thermite" and watch all the videos of it destroying steel in seconds.

Very poor lopsided job NGC...

Who planted jet fuel in WTC 7 ? lol I guess it's more believable that WTC 7 fell by magic then anything else.

Jesus... If I had ppl that died there that day I would be LIVID at this gross attempt at a "scientific" look at the evidence.

How about a little reality check, we can say that the Pentagon was this few story high super structure, but the Twin Towers were some weak 100+ story high buildings that couldn't take an airplane hit. Face it, the Twin Towers had to be super structures simply because they were so tall. All that weight had to be supported.

So explain why the Pentagon (a very short structure in comparison) destroys an airplane on impact but the Twin Towers just get mutilated by the same basic aluminum aircraft. How about we rule out the airplanes because they are basically the same. They are made of light weight metals (for the most part) and both crashed into solid buildings. Yet one building (the smallest one) takes the impact of an airplane moving at 500+mph far better than the two (much larger buildings) do when the same basic aircraft moving at slower speeds. Does this honestly make sense? That's like saying 3 cars crash into building but the 2 moving slower caused more damage to the actual structure at the time of the hit.

I am not speaking of the fire or explosions, just the very first hit when the plane actually struck the building. The Purdue studies show that the Pentagon ripped the plane apart upon impact, but that same Purdue study shows that the planes that hit the Twin Towers destroyed the concrete, steel frames, and re-enforced structure that was supporting all that plain girth of the building.

Something seems a bit out of whack from a common sense perspective. I won't even go on about how hard it would be to fly an aircraft low enough to hit the Pentagon in the first floor. Seriously, at that speed the pilot had to be an awesome pilot not to just grind that plane into the ground before hitting the building. Simply an awesome pilot. *shakes head* Unimaginable.

Open you eyes people, don't be sheep, think beyond the ends of your noses!

correction...the conspiracy theorists have made a claim....

you created a show to refute it...

thus...in the debate you accepted the burden of proof of the prima facia argument...

the conspiracy theorists get the D- minus.....

the thermite test is worse than their best theories by an order of magnatude....

You get the F...

so sad....

WTC7 collapse was controlled demolition

and there is video, which proves it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI

more than 800 architects and engineers believe that WTC7 collapse was controlled demolition

there is link
http://www.ae911truth.org/

WTC7 was the third skyscraper, which collapsed in 11th September at 5:20 pm

Was it hard to believe Noriega was a CIA operative for 30 years? That the CIA was caught red-handed running drugs, and arming terrorists in Iran-Contra? The CIA set up BCCI to laundry drug money? That US military Lt Col. Olliver North said he got his marching instructions from the Whitehouse, but both denied everything? North was convicted for taking bribes and lying to Congress. Bush gave him amnnesty along with the OTHER thieves and liars who could testify against him. North was then given a Congressional spot and when he couldn't handle THAT, a TV show and commentaries from a PAID Republican HACK channel. WHO OUTTED A CIA DEEP-COVER AGENT!

The "media" gets paid millions to air OIL and energy ads that do NOTHING and really SAY nothing. They also REFUSE to investigate oil/energy fraud stories! Even the Oil stories of Sarah Palin!

The "media" got billions in tax cuts. Their "regulators" along with the energy and oil regulators,,evaporated into thin air during Bush 1 and 2.. The media were sent real and faked Anthrax....= No investigations of ANYTHING Bush did or said. No one was ever CAUGHJT on THAT attack either... even tho the FBI had a US Lab-worker in their sights, but were pulled off by Bush Officials. Then a guy who's been HELPING us out for YEARS, DIES as soon as the investigating "squad" is changed, and PRESTO! He was the guy! ABSOLUTELY! Case Closed! Good Night!

The EASY smoking gun is Flt 93. The FBI has now said all but 2 of the "taped" cell calls were faked. SURPRISE! AND- You can't MAKE cell calls at 5-40,000 ft! And just WHAT kind of families TAPE their phone calls? At least 24 of them did on THAT flight...So the US GOVERNMENT said, anyway. Then it "evaporates" all the ABOVE-ground debris, and burries people's DNA, and OTHER plane parts, in a 10-20 ft wide crater, surrounded by green grass, with ZERO jet-fuel burn or even SMOKE! Just HOW does a 124 ft wide jet crash SO HARD into a 20 ft wide crater... That even the FUEL evaporates before it explodes? Not onlyh that, but we're TOLD to believe BOTH ENTIRE Wings evaporated before they hit the ground....AND the Pentagon! There were ZERO wing marks in BOTH crashes! Unlike the WTC attacks!

Don't believe me? Go to the NTSB Report! Oh yeah, for the first time in THEIR history, their report says THEY DIDN'T DO A REPORT! On ANY of the 4 planes on 9-11.

BTW- Just WHO put the box-cutters under the eat cushions and HOW did they know WHICH seats to put them under? What happened to THAT investigation? Just like the National Geographic "study".....and the PBS "documentary" on the Magic Bullet theory, and the guy who spent 5 years trying to figure out a way to make one bullet do all the "warren" (w/Gerald Ford) commission SAID it did. Even THAT guy couldn't get his bullet to come out of 2 people, break several bones, and lay on a gurney by itself, without a single scratch on it! Which is why PBS left THAT part and question OUT of the "documentary"!

Why don't they just say it? "Our Sci-Fi theory of how to fake a study, and call it a "documentary".

The "Science" in this program is a joke that is not funny. It is a poor excuse to somehow give a little help to the idiots that believe the Bush administration is our friends to debate to people who are actually scientists and who actually know what they are talking about Even the demeanor and tone of the narrarator was offensive to the opposition of what everyone was lied to about. This whole program is a white wash, just like the 911 ommission report. I give much appreciation/credit to everyone from loose
change. There is no way that they had anything to do with the final edit. Natgeo really failed with this one.

Haven't seen the program yet, as I tried to record it on my DVD last night, but NatGeo has "copy protected" the broadcast 4 minutes into the broadcast. I simply use DVDs like VHS tape, not to violate any broadcaster rights. Other networks have tried this nonsense and been disuaded by feedback--let's hope NG will also see the lignt. On the other hand, perhaps this is part of their conspiracy!

More garbage as usual from National Geographic. You can keep spewing out your lies and propaganda but nobody's buying it anymore. I turned you off long ago.

I often look forward to viewing science based programming from National Geographic as Known Universe and Naked Science. When I saw the add for 9/11 Science and Conspiracy I said to my friend who was sitting next to me “Finally, a non-bias show on the events of 9/11”. I waited with bated breath for the show to air. As I patiently viewed the program it had become abundantly apparent that this show would be a very slanted and one-sided. The “four experiments that can forensically simulate the 9/11 attacks” were if nothing else feeble. The National Geographic Channel should be ashamed for airing this program. It is a slap in the face not only to the people that lost their lives that day, their families and anyone who has a modicum of intelligence. How very disappointing, I expected more from National Geographic.

Given that last night I watched a Murdoch-funded "National Geographic" hit piece on the "9/11 Truth Movement" - this subject is extremely relevant. Murdoch is complicit in the cover-up and has profited from the 9/11 Wars directly and indirectly.

For those "convinced" by this obvious slick propaganda, sorry about your cognitive dissonance - it's your gut telling you something. There is a major disinfo / psyop war going on over this subject. Nat Geo's program last night capitalized on at least two major pieces of disinfo - that "truthers" believe 1.that no Boeing hit the Pentagon. and 2. that the planes that hit their targets were not the planes with the passengers but exact copies and that all passengers were put on Flight 93 and shot down over Shanksville. OUTRAGEOUS. Neither idea are mainstream 9/11 Research views. My feeling is that Nat Geo edited it's interviewees from the Truth Movement to make them look bad and to make it seem that they fully supported these fringe notions.

Puckinfat's comment is an example of misinfo/disinfo that has infiltrated the Truth Movement. The simple fact of the matter is that nothing should have hit the Pentagon. The show did not cover the evidence and testimony of Transportation Secretary Norm Mineta which points to a stand-down order. "Does the order still stand?" Cheney answered "of course it does, have you heard anything to the contrary?" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

National Geographic was DELIBERATELY deceptive. They do not want people to research BUILDING 7.
WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING 7.
BUILDING 7 is a subject which people need to research and watch ALL the videos concerning Building 7.

Look people. It is very simple. The official 9/11 myth as to how the Towers collapsed is physically impossible and ridiculous.

The theory is that the small upper section of the towers was accelerated by gravity into the much larger and much stronger lower section and base of the Towers. (Even though the Towers were straight up and down rectangular tubes, the steel structures were much thicker and stronger at the base.) Now what you saw on 9/11 cannot have been caused by a little block accelerated by gravity into a bigger, stronger block -- where the little block pulverizes the larger stronger block. That's very simply ... impossible, which is why NIST did not even attempt to provide a scientific analysis or modeling of such an occurrence. I mean it really is ridiculous. It defies all basic principles of physics. If you have any scientific background at all and you set out to prove such an event ... LOL.

Any serious scientist who is not beholden to the government who looks at this just laughs hysterically at the official story. America's top scientists have described the story as an obvious fraud, which it clearly is. It's not even close. That is why the only people who will defend it are groups with no reputation, credentials or credibility --- like popular mechanics and other silly pop-science outfits - like National Geographic.

You really have to be an absolute moron to believe the official story nonsense - or corrupt. Either works.

Look at the people at this site: http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Now there are people with credentials.

I am absolutely disappointed with this documentary. All the so-called scientific experiments you did were terrible and proved nothing. You compared the pentagon to what looked like plywood and cardboard with a 500mph rocket that represented the plane, completely ridiculous. And had some half-witted construction worker assuring me he's a professional and knows there is no possible way anybody could have blown up the trade centers because he an expert. Watch Loose Change or Zeitgeist so you can actually get a good look at what the 9/11 Truth Movement is really about. Anybody with half a brain in their head will figure it out.

TopGunl -- thanks for setting -KingHQ on notice to get a clue, literally. My favorite 'non'line of his:
"BUT history has shown that Conspiracy Theorists have NEVER stepped up to the plate to prove their side of the events."
I think they would rejoice to have the chance to present to even 1/10th the audience NatGeo has, and they would be 10000% more convincing, based on real science, fact and observation.

The most important thing I learned from the show is how to save a lot of money if you need a building knocked down. I listened to the demolition contractor talk about how many men and how much planning and precisions cuts and perfectly placed explosion devices needed to placed for an controlled implosion. I SAY to him YOUR FIRED!!! I just need to go about 3 qtrs up any building and start a fire on that floor and just watch the building imploded with fantastic results (all 3 buildings) as evidenced on 9-11-01.

Back in the 80's when the Soviet Union was at war with Afghanistan
it's a very short (non existent) stretch to figure out that Osama bin
Laden was CIA, something the US government would be embarrassed to say, he and his followers received military/financial
aid from the US. Once the Soviets pulled out, and this young group
was victorious, they looked at the next power that was using them
as pawns. That was the US government. He, being a charismatic, very wealthy Saudi, triumphant and victorious, was an instant leader, loaded with some of our best war toys, all the money he needed to embark on his next conquest, from his own
wealthy family, as well as a lot of other resources from his connection with the CIA, all of a sudden made certain people very nervous. A "theory"? Sure. But a theory I'd give at least 50 to 1 odds on. A theory that the US government would never
give any credence to. A theory that if true, very few know about,
let alone admit. Considering what happened.
Our citizens would have been killed by a government subcontractor. "OMG. Bury this asap. Or we're all screwed".
If I listen real closely, & filter out the static, I think I can make that out.
That would be from pawns, sorry I mean politicians, not from the corporate rulers, who really run things.

DAJ63
would be the chess players

Boy this is a tough one.

What are the chances that all the hundreds of brilliant scientists - who say the Official Story on 9/11 is an obvious Fraud and ridiculous Joke - are wrong:

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html

And the fellows at Popular Mechanics, National Geographic, and Calros --- who don't have a college science course credit among the lot of them - are right?

That is a tough one.....

But what the heck ... I am going to go out on a limb here (with the benefit of my own degree in physics) and side with all the Brilliant Scientists. LOL

Hey Calros ... you know those letters delivering the Anthrax that said "Death to America" and "Allah is Great" --- where are you on that one? Did the Anthrax come from:

A. Achmed from New Jersey.

B. Bin Laden Operatives

C. US Military Bioweapons Lab in Fort Detrick

And Calros - which one of these is True:

A. Independent Scientific Investigations published in a Peer-Reviewed Journal Confirmed Military Grade, high tech, nano-thermite explosives in all WTC samples tested.

B. NIST inexplicably failed to even test for explosives.

C. A Recipient of the National Medal of Science, America's highest honor for scientific achievement, advocates that "the glaringly erroneous official account of 9/11 be dismissed as a fraud."

D. All of the Above.

I know, I know ....it's not really fair to ask someone like Calros to take a quiz. It must bring back really bad memories for you - eh Calros? : )

This show was a turning point for me in that I lost an enormous amount of respect for NatGeo. This show was absolutely biased and smacked of government propaganda. “Truthers” are not simple “conspiracy theorists;” they are made up of intelligent people simply seeking the “truth” about 9/11, and there is nothing about that that is somehow foolish or stupid.

I was looking forward to this show as I was hoping it would at least strive to answer some of the numerous questions about 9/11. In the end, it only made me more convinced that the government is yet again hiding the truth and using its mainstream media paramours to do it. I expected much more from NatGeo. Documentaries are supposed to be neutral and unbiased… that is unless there is an agenda (which there apparently was).

What a waste of time!
It's proves one thing though. THERE WORRIED!
To many people are seeing through the cracks to the deception that's been taking place for years. Many people never dreamed the government would perform awful drug experiments on unknowing citizens but they did. We have seen how they create reasons for war to further their own profits. They have proven their track record of disregard for human life. So looking at the facts of 9/11, the ability to make it happen, the desire to create another reason for war, after all war is good for business, the people are taking off their blinders and seeing the government for what it really is...one big corporation with only two things in mind money and power.
There's way more than 9/11 that we have been deceived by. The current one happens to be the H1N1. Follow the money.

oh yeah...and what about building 7 coming down in perfect form 10 hours after the initial buildings collapsed???

Your program tonight did little to even approach any questions that people had. Your last 30 min w/ the stupid theory of rogue planes was counter productive and was done to bolster the overall theme that people with questions are nuts.. The title, the narrator, the easy dismissal of real questions, the presentation of far fetched 'theories' that you claim are plausible was an insult. people just have questions and they aren't being answered.. Why didn't you even mention Bldg 7? You had a forgone format for this show and, unfortunately its very obvious.. yes, I know..you can just chalk it up to another crazy out there but this program was below par for you.. I'm embarrassed for you.. I'm sure you will be solid in your feeling that you did a 'scientific analysis and proved the point you went in to prove...but anyone w/ half a brain will see thru you uncharacteristically poor job here..sad for such a well respected institution.. .

BRITT,

"Building 7. once again thats easy, look up the reports. Oh wait, you wont believe it.

How about a link to the reports..I'm interested in reading..

Mike

The NatGeo piece clearly was propaganda to discredit the 911 Truth movement and buttress the government's Big Lie. CIA agents are known to use NatGeo as cover in their travels, suggesting a cozy relationship with Uncle Sam.

For example, their argument against thermite conveniently left out that it can be easily and quickly applied, without drilling, torching, breaking through walls, or using crude funnels and clay, but rather as shown in 911 Mysteries, in gel form as suggested by Steve Jones in the piece, shaped like sausage, tied directly to core beams, with wire or tape, and as Gage mentioned, by standing atop elevators conveniently put out of service for the 9 months before 911, providing easy access to core columns.

NatGeo video claims the lack of evidence of copper residue at the beam cuts at ground zero proves thermite wasn't used, when their expert arbitrarily used copper shaped-charges, but copper is not necessary with thermite, thermate, or nano thermite applied directly to beams.

There is evidence of thermite cuts in the Ground Zero rubble, both the characteristic slag and 45 degree angle, presented in several truther videos, like 911 Mysteries. The views of the relics in the hangar are edited to avoid revealing such or suggest pieces were deliberately chosen which are not so revealing.

The piece shows the bogus little piece of aluminum painted red and blue on the Pentagon lawn as argument there was evidence of a jetliner impacting the Pentagon, when it is well established that piece was not from a 767, nor was the piece of a jet engine shown in the Pentagon rubble from a 767, which they show while David Ray Griffin is arguing there was not evidence of a 767, as if proof he was wrong in his assertion.

Sustained temperatures of more than 2000 degrees F, which were used in the New Mexico tests to get the weighted down skinny I-beam to give way, were not achieved at the WTC Towers, but 1600 is the very most jet fuel would burn in open air, and the UL tests of samples submitted by the government concluded 600 degrees F was the highest temperature exposure they were exposed to, according to surface and micro crystaline structure analysis. Moreover, since jet fuel does not achieve 2000 degrees F in open air, they must have cheated, like used something other than jet fuel.

They don't fairly deal with the hot molten metal at the bottom of all 3 buildings as a telling chemical byproduct of Thermite as suggested by Avery.

They don't mention that Bush insider Zelikow directed the 911 Commission, totally controlled who was interviewed, what they were asked, what was included in reports of what was said and what was included in the final report. Shennon on NYT wrote Zelikow insisted their secretary quit logging his many phone calls from Karl Rove. Nor do they mention that Zelikow led an Aspen security seminar in April 1998 with former CIA Deutsch and Prof Ashton Carter, that several future Bushies attended, entitled Catastrophic Terrorism, Element of A National Policy. The notes for that seminar are accessible online and read like the 911 playbook.

They never do explain why there were no wing imprints or engine imprints next to the Pentagon hole except to say the facade was hard, as if harder than the steel perimeter columns of the WTC towers, nor could they explain why the engines did not make tracks in the lawn if the plane came in so low, as opposed to something like a cruise missile.

They never deal appropriately with the truthers' complaints that the government has refused to release videos in their possession of the Pentagon being hit, when there were video cameras on the Pentagon that recorded the event, and the nearby gas station video was seized by the government within minutes.

911 was a hoax to promote rule by fear. Such treason by Cheney, et al. should be prosecuted!

here's a link for NIST's report on WTC 7's colapse.. For some reason all I get is a blank page..maybe someone else can check it out..

http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf

sorry for the multiple posts..

there were fires in WTC 7?

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.html

Okay Britt -- you want to people to post credentials. I have a degree in Physics from one of top Scientific institutions in the world.

The NIST scientists do not get to decide what's published in the NIST summary reports. And they do not get to decide what evidence is released. But here is what the NIST scientists could not and would not support - that the Towers collapsed under some pancaking mechanism -- the theory that was put forth in Popular Mechanics - a Trade Magazine and a theory put forth by all the ridiculous Internet sites that support this ridiculous theory that these planes dropped those towers.

Nobody who knows anything about science believes that nonsense - Britt.

You talked about thermite. It has been proven in a scientific - peer-reviewed paper that nano-thermite -- as sophisticated military grade explosive was present throughout all of the WTC debris and it is the obvious source of pulverizing those towers. You cannot pulverize those Towers by gravity -- which is the only theory you have. That violates about a dozen basic laws of physics.

That's why you cannot name a single scientist for me who will appear publicly and defend this ridiculous theory that you have. Think about - Britt. You'd still believe that foreign Islamists attacked us with Anthrax if -- if scientific testing didn't prove that the Anthrax came from our own Military.

You give me ONE SCIENTIST who will defend this thing. Guess what? National Geographic ADMITTED THAT THEY COULD NOT FIND ONE SCIENTIST to defend the ridiculous fairy tale that ignorant people like you believe in --- with all the faith that a child has in a parent.

So go to this Website --- Britt. America's top Scientists and Engineers agree that the Story you Believe in is a ridiculous fraud. Now you show me something comparable going the other way:

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

The top debunker site is put together by a tour bus driver. Then you have popular mechanics - trade magazine - no scientists -- national geographic -- admits not one scientist would agree to support their stupid production. And I've given you a link to hundreds of scientists like myself, who know for a fact that this fairy tale you believe in is a ridiculous joke.

Go look to my site -- look at these people -- look at their credentials --- and explain to me how it is that they are all some misguided "conspiracist" theorists. And who said anything about Bush knowing anything.

I am very disapointed with the show.right from the start you could tell it was not going to be objective journalism.Yes the plane was semi full with jet fuel but did you see the 20 story explosion outside the building when the plane hit.I believe most of the fuel was spent outside .and the force of that explosion would have sucked the fire out of the building thats why you dont see a huge fire after the initial explosion.IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE FIRE WEAKENED THE STEEL COLUMS WOULDNT THE COLUMMS CLOSEST TO THE PIONT OF IMPACT GAVE WAY FIRST AND THE BUILDING TOPPLED OVER IN ORDER FOR THE BIULDING TO FALL THE WAY IT DID ALL OF THE 42 COLUMMS WOULD HAVE REACHED 12OO DEGREES AT THE VERY SAME TIME.HIGLY UNLIKELY ALSO I FIND IT VERY STRANGE THAT THOSE WERE THE ONLY TWO BUILDINGS IN NEW YORK WERE THE SUPERSTRUCTURE WAS ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING SO IF THERE WAS AN EXPLOSIONS ON THE COLUMMS YOU WOULDNT BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE OUTSIDE.WHY DIDNT YOU INVESTIGATE BIULDING #7 COLLAPSE.WHY WAS THERE SUCH A RUSH TO CLEAN UP THE MESS USUALLY AFTER AN ACCIDENT THEY TAKE ALL OF THE PIECES AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPEN WITHIN 72 HOURS THEY HAD THE STEEL BEAMS ON FREIGHTERS TO CHINA AND YES THERE WAS FIRE PROOFING ON THE BEAMS THE WHOLE BUILDING WAS COVERED IN ASBESTOS.BY THE WAY THOSE COLUMMS UP ON THE 81ST FLOOR WERE 3 INCHES THICK DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH HEAT YOU WOULD NEED TO HEAT THOSE COLUMMS TO THERE BENDING PIONT YOU HAVE TO PREHEAT THOSE COLUMMS WITH A HUGE PROPANE TORCH FOR HOURS BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN WELD THEM TOGETHER THATS HOW THICK THEY ARE NOT TO MENTION THERE WERE 42 OF THOSE COLUMMS.

I have just watched the 9/11 Science and Conspiracy Director's Diary. What a biased and one sided story that was. Where were all the really credible witnesses to the event such as the caretaker of the twin towers who had worked there 20 yrs and knew the building intimately. He reported loud and powerful explosions from the base of the tower, minutes before the first plane hit. Firemen in the building also reported a series of explosions, exactly like demolition charges, whilst they were in rescuing people. What about the eye witnesses that told they had a clear view of the planes hitting the towers and they looked more like military planes than commercial airliners, having no windows in the side?. There are highly experienced military and airline pilots that have stated that no way could a commercial airliner have hit the Pentagon, Professional airline pilots have stated it would be impossible for inexperienced pilots to have flown such complex aircrafts into such precise targets. This has seriously changed my opinion of National Geographic who I thought made objective films

I watched it and was disappointed, but only because it won't convince the conspiracy theorists - but then I didn't expect that anyway.

They don't have to "prove" anything, they just spout theories and say YOU (meaning those that don't believe the conspiracies) prove it. And then point to other "truther" sites as evidence. Sorry, I don't buy any of the theories. I suppose you'll call me "sheep" for not buying it, but frankly it all doesn't make sense for a few simple reasons.

(1) The theories all require "special" or "super secret" military grade explosives that nobody else uses and have not been replicated ANYWHERE else. I'm sorry, if the military does one thing, is it finds something that works and next thing you know - they sell it (legally or otherwise - history is full of it) to someone else who does use it. Especially if it something that's needed in such vast quantities as needed in "bringing down the towers". Nowhere else has it been done in such a manner, WT7 make look like commercial demolition, but the towers certainly do not.

(2) The vast quantities and people and time needed to pull such a thing off. Sorry, even if it had "access" granted by a Bush cousin, that isn't enough to explain away the time required to do such a demolition. Plus nobody talks? C'mon.

(3) If it's going to be played off as a "terrorist" attack - why not take the McVeigh solution ala OKC? Helluva lot cheaper and if they already had "double-secret secure access" via Bush - why go and use ultra-secret weapons grade thermite when other solutions are considerably cheaper... Plus, I'd think it would be a lot easier to pull off some conspiracy of a Muslim Terrorist gaining access to the Twin Towers and the Pentagon and doing things over time.to pull this off.

And, all of this would've had to start far back in the Clinton Presidency for all this to be planned in such a manner - not in the 8 months since Bush to the oath. Oh, never mind, that's a conspiracy too!

But, keep it up - just be sure to waste your own resources in this "investigation" which doesn't require definitive proof or tests. Don't use my tax money to finance the investigation into this fantasy. I am angry at the sloppy way security is done in our country, and the fact that no one is responsible for the failings of tasks our government is responsible for. But this? Between the cost and the amount of folks needed to put it off, no cabal of ultra-right conservative corporations with their political puppets could justify it - especially when there is not guarantee of the outcome.

It isn't good business!!!

You want to prove it too me? Follow the money. That's what any good investigator does. None of the "truthers" have done it.

I wan't to hear from the auditors and accountants.

here's a little on 'following the money'

'The Pakistan connection'
There is evidence of foreign intelligence backing for the 9/11 hijackers. Why is the US government so keen to cover it up?

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/SheikhMahmood.htm

The Secret Collapse of WTC Building 7

The secret story chosen that demonstrates a media conspiracy to manipulate American citizens to do something against our personal benefit was the decision to not report the collapse of WTC Building 7. It is easier to see that controlled demolition brought down building 7 in free fall speed than to understand that controlled demolition also collapsed the North and South Towers after each had been hit by a plane.

The work required to strap explosives to the columns to the vast WTC buildings is estimated to take more than 100 experts more than six weeks to complete. The North and South Towers were 110 stories and Building 7 was 47 stories. To be able to complete this job in time for the attack, the security force at the WTC needed to be manipulated for it to allow access by the expert commandos to strap the explosives directly on the steel columns.

The undisputed fact that allowed all three buildings to fall straight down into their own basements at free fall speed are the two simple elements that prove beyond any doubt that only controlled demolition was necessary to accomplish that result.

The essential evidence that proves only controlled demolition would allow any building to collapse in almost free fall speed must be the simultaneous removal of its vertical columns. Failure to remove the vertical columns will absolutely slow the speed of the collapse.

Not only did the media omit any report after 9/11 that mentioned the collapse of building 7, the report by the 911 Commission also omitted the collapse of building 7. Can any reasonable person imagine that none of the reporters who were physically stationed at the WTC after the planes hit the Towers and who mentioned hearing explosions on 9/11, never mentioned hearing explosions during subsequent broadcasts because they all independently decided not to report those explosions?

It is a common daily event for the media to replay almost every story it reports, dozens if not hundreds of times. I am a national news junkie. I seldom watch local news. When I first learned about the collapse of Building 7 it was about five years after 2001. I didn’t give much thought to having missed hearing about the collapse of Building 7 until I began studying the controlled demolition conspiracy.

The deduction that the WTC security must have allowed the expert crew access to rig the explosives becomes unquestionable. To learn from the security staff who worked in the WTC how this staff was manipulated by its management would require an investigation by a team that desired to solve the mass murder.

On 9/12, the media decided to join the conspiracy so nothing they say has any credibility.

The overwhelming secret described by the media decision to protect the senior officials who ordered the controlled demolition should be examined carefully. That secret indicates that voters are manipulated and brainwashed to elect politicians and political parties who take bribes from corporations that outsource our jobs and protect busted banks with our Treasury.

If we at HCC fail to study and reconcile the media propaganda issue, we can’t expect a return to prosperity in America. Media companies are toppling financially because there are segments of American citizens who realize the complicity by these companies to deceive us.

Expecting media companies to expose their own criminal alliance to aid and abet the controlled demolition of the three WTC Towers would be silly.

Facts are meaningless to a segment of American society. They call themselves “conservatives” or “Republicans”. The facts and evidence are simple in this case. When an object is dropped from 110 stories and that object hits the ground (planet earth) in free fall speed, there can’t possibly be any resistance. That leads to the obvious deduction that the massive columns, built specifically to hold up the entire building, had to be exploded out of the way.

There was a company hired to test if the jet fuel fires burned hot enough to collapse the steel columns in accordance with the government’s ridiculous claim. The test was broadcast on the NatGeo station and it featured the temperature of the jet fuel fire. The temperature rose above 2000 degrees. I have searched independent sources to learn the maximum temperature of jet fuel fires. There are a variety of jet fuels that are blended for a variety of reasons. That means there is no one answer as to the heat generated. To attain the maximum efficiency from any fuel that fuel needs to be atomized by a nozzle to make the fuel sprayed into particles as tiny as possible.

The jet fuel that exploded in the WTC Towers would have burned at a lower temperature than if it had been atomized. The test showed on NatGeo used a 700 gallon tank filled with jet fuel. The temperature for jet fuel fire published by Wikipedia was only 549.5 degrees.

Another source that explains the maximum heat must be less than 495 degrees is, http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/how-hot.htm

One HCC professor responded to the issue by saying, “Do you believe Obama was born in a foreign country?” Is that question relevant to the media’s decision not to report the collapse of WTC Building 7? He also mentioned conspiracy theories as being a radical if not impossible reason to conclude that every reporter, editor, broadcast reporter, and producer acted independently and coincidentally.

On the other hand more than three dozen students considered the media cover up was a cause for concern.

We can all go through life being bamboozled from accepting the obvious or we can choose to consider very carefully that the media keeps bombarding its audience with a con job designed to make us accept wars, contaminated food, unfair taxation, globalization, and the duopoly lockout of a third party.

PS: Conspiracy Theorists deny that methane is a flammable gas, could it be because of some early trauma in their childhood?

Could it be because thinking that the human body can manufacture a flammable/explosive gas is just too frightening for them to consciously accept?

Why won't conspiracy theorists admit that methane gas can cause the end of life on planet earth and that cold steel columns can shatter like uncooked spaghetti under pressure and impact?

They must be holocaust deniers! Maybe they just want to believe that something stranger is going on.

Maybe it was UFO's that collapsed the towers! Maybe it was holographic images projected through some news agencies butt that made people THINK that the towers actually collapsed in the first place! Maybe they're still standing! Maybe the real conspiracy is that there IS NO CONSPIRACY!

HA!!! WHY DIDN'T YOU SHOW THAT ON YOUR SPECIAL? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?

The truth?
You should take into consideration that there is no statute of limitations on MURDER or Accessory to Murder after the fact, nor for TREASON, nor OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

Now might be a good time to RAT OUT EVERYONE YOU KNOW, before it's too late! You can start with whoever paid you to dream up this idiocy that you call an expose'.

You should not only be ashamed of yourself, you should hang yourself in public, while disemboweling yourself.

Surprise me, let this post stay up you lying sycophant cowards.

And have a nice day :D
peace
d

Abraxas you said: "Only people who border insanity believe ,that the planes were not responsable for all the destruction." People are confused about this whole event, there's so much disinformation.

That said, You really have to look at the physics. Actualy GO to www.AE911truth.org and see what they have to show you. There's probably a lot of stuff there you've never seen. 800 Architects and Engineers can't ALL be insane. Seriously. Now for the big picture.

Also, any crime is premised on 3 specific things, you need all 3 to prosecute. Means, Motive and Opportunity. Who had all 3? Who profited?

I'm 57 and a lifetime fireman, and I lost 343 brothers that day in buildings full of nanothermite cutting charges and explosives. That is just a provable fact. No other explanation is possible at this time. All you have to do is look at the analysis of the red and gray chips and the microspheres of thermite found in the dust, but, everyone has to make up their own mind.

America is NOT lost, but it's going to go down hard no matter what we do, because that's what was planned for us. The big picture is that incredibly powerful people have been planning this for a very long time, generations easily. Look at the people who seem to think that WE are all terrorists. Look at the people who are heavily invested in the weapons, drug, war, surveillance, police, prison, security industries.

Look at the "Continuity of government" people. They were there during Nixon and they're the same people now. Bush Sr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, Kissinger et al. When they say COG they mean Continuity of THEIR government RULE. That is what we MUST stop from taking hold permanently. If not, the same people behind THEM who started all the wars, armed both sides, and bet against their own team, then destroyed their own team to manipulate the economy... is always the same, sick freaks. The easiest way to always win is to cheat. Control both sides, bet against the favorite. Destroy the favorite.

The Rockefellers, Mellon Scaifes, Carnegies, Rothschilds, Royalty from Europe, etc. . They're inbred, wealthy beyond our wildest dreams and murderous psychotics. THAT is why we must always be willing to keep and BEAR ARMS. Until we are disarmed, we offer resistance, possibly at the cost of our lives. After we are disarmed we are fertilizer and just waiting to be enslaved and killed. Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pott, all these people were CREATED by the ultra rich to carry out an agenda. The first thing they ALL did was disarm the population. Coincidence?

REMEMBER who the real enemy is. Act accordingly. And God bless America and every honest person who cares for humanity and decency.

Never forget, never stop, never be silent.
911 was a complete and total inside job. Period.
We've got hard work to do.

peace through strength
d

Your trying to squeeze a round peg into a square hole, with your pathetic attempt at discrediting the blatantly obvious fact that the twin towers and building seven were proffesionally demolished somehow.
I would of expected the National Geographic to at least have a grasp of basic physics! As a structural engineer myself,I'd like to ask the NG and the makers of your 9 11 Science and Conspiracy program,when have you ever seen steel framed buildings suddenly drop at near enough freefall speed into a pile of dust and cut lengths of steel,because of small dents and carbon based fires? thats right,you havnt because its not possible! Not to mention building seven, which wasnt hit by a plane and had very few visible fires, but dropped to the ground in exactly the same way!

Shame on you for ruining your reputation to help propogate lies, lies that have ended up costing the lives of almost millions of innocent people,it really is such a shame. How can anyone be expected to trust your journalistic integrity after such rubbish?

Jay Bell,
from London England.

Mr. Erickson, you should have spent as much time looking at who's winning as you spent NOT looking at the facts and physical evidence, you might have decided that it's safer on the side of truth, justice and the American way. As it is, you're just another shill in a long list of them. Welcome to hackdom.

I will revile your name at every opportunity. You stand among such stalwarts as Judith Miller, Joseph Goebbels, Baghdad Bob, Edward Bernay and William Randolph (Hitlers paperboy) Hearst. Oh and last but not least, Mr. National Enquirer/Fox News himself, Rupert Murdoch!

I guess you know who butters your bread.
Your bed is made.
Sleep well.

peace freedom truth justice
d

Obstructing justice and treason are criminal acts that need to be prosecuted at trial.

The editors and producers of the NGC 911: Science & Conspiracy show purposely deleted the most simple, conclusive evidence conveyed by Richard Gage.

Richard spoke with me this morning because I had questioned him about his primary testimony that all three WTC Towers fell at close to free fall speed. Richard always includes this critical evidence at every speech he makes.

The editors of the documentary are purposely protecting President Bush, Condi Rice, Larry Silverstein, and other decision makers by deleting the Richard Gage presentation which high lights the near free fall collapse of the WTC Towers.

Only controlled demolition is capable of exploding the beams and columns to allow the near free fall collapse. That is the simple, smoking gun evidence that proves this monumental conspiracy.

To protect the traitors who ordered the 9/11 WTC attack and then use that attack relentlessly as a reason to attack Afghanistan, attack Iraq, and a long list of other criminal offenses is an act to join the conspiracy. These traitors need to be arrested and prosecuted immediately for their part in misinforming all American citizens.

Stephen: "These traitors need to be arrested and prosecuted immediately for their part in misinforming all American citizens."

Couldn't agree more. Lets measure them for shackles!
peace
d

Shame on you NGC.

You failed to mention that 60% of the 9/11 commission did not believe the government's story and wanted to refer it the Attorney General for prosecution.

Also on Mythbusters on the Discovery Channel, the boys used thermite to cut a car in half lengthwise including through the engine block showing that thermite could indeed cut through steel. All it takes is to channel it like the controlled demolition guys do and not dump a bunch of thermite into an open bucket where the energy can dissipate in every direction. duh... Either you think we are all idiots or you folks are idiots for thinking so.

I am very disappointed in your network for airing such an insipid and inaccurate "documentary" and perhaps you should stick with such hard hitting shows like the Dog Whisperer. Seems more like your speed.

344th Bro -

You are a true Patriot. I salute you. As well as the many others who are willing to brave the attacks and ridicule that you face for having the gall to say that, in truth, the Emperor has no clothes.

I endured sleepless nights in absorbing what it meant that such an obvious and ridiculous falsehood as the official 9/11 story had become, in this Country, a sacred religious Myth. For those who believed in the Institutions of this Country as I did - the Government, our Free Press - it was as difficult to fathom and to accept as it would be to confront the notion that one's own parents meant you harm. So it is indeed understandable that there are those who will go to any lengths to avoid the truth of this matter.

But responsible citizens are not children. This Country was founded upon willingness of true Patriots to take a principled stand for what is true and right, whatever the risks.

The responses on this Blog are encouraging. Keep it up everyone. We really do have nothing to lose.

Great comments, d. I am with you and will continue to fight for truth and justice. It seems like an impossible fight, but that's all one can do.

I consider myself somewhat of a brand/design expert, and for a moment, I had slim hope that some real facts would be discussed in a truly scientific manner (ya know, the Nat Geo brand carries a certain amount of credibility in this arena), even after viewing some of the previous "toe the company line" 9/11 pieces.

But THIS? THIS? Nat Geo, you have lost what very little respect I had for you. You should be utterly ashamed. This is science 101 and you failed miserably. What a complete farce. It's so obvious that your spoon feeding the myth to the masses.

I "woke up" the day I viewed "9/11 Revisited", which begins with the question "Were Bombs used to bring down the WTC?" followed by video of the Towers "collapsing." Light turns on, curtain pulls back. Hello Wizard! It WAS SO OBVIOUS. I felt so foolish to have believed the "official conspiracy theory" ... if one wants to know the truth, all you have to do is open your mind to it. But the tools of deception (mass media and false info) are in the controlling hands of some very powerful, evil men. And they know how to use these tools better than anyone.

d, you're exactly right. The rabbit hole leads directly to very dark places: the Bilderbergers, the CFR, Fed Reserve, and the world banking conglomerate. They will stop at nothing to control the world and consolidate wealth. If you want to get to the root, look there. Watch the video "The Money Masters" (poor production value but great information). The economic 9/11 just came and went without muchnotice, so it gets discouraging fast.

Keep spreading truth,

D2

As an interested ex British Soldier, and as many of my countrymen have died in support of operations flowing from 9/11 was looking forward to this documentary as hopefully an objective investigation. However i was disappointed at the lack of any mention or discussion of the Building 7 failure which looks to me like a well prepared controlled demolition (free fall speed) and the attempt to convince the viewer that Flight 77 did the damage to the pentagon (not a missile) by firing something that looked very much like a missile at a wooden mock up of the pentagon... this was not a fair comparison. Also the science relating to Beam/truss failure from heat and thermite attack seemed very poor.However, setting aside the twin towers as too complex a model for TV to investigate fully, the pentagon attack and building 7 seem to be the areas that require a more in-depth examination. I hope Nat Geo will oblige in a future documentary.

Dear National Geographic ,

While watching your documentary entitled Science and Conspiracy, I was stuck in the middle of what to believe on certain matters and aspects of the events that occured on 9\11\2001 and how people have been lied too about certain things, after seeing your documentary combined with my own independent research I now see that you are part of the problem and the cover up. You are presenting false and inaccurate information and you are supposed to be a trusted and untainted source of information. This is not the case in this matter, you have most clearly distorted facts and avoided questions such as Fema being in place the night before and how the pentagon was running drills that day to prpare for exactly what happened.

1. You left out all the Firemen and police testimony of bombs going off, and all the eyewitness testimony of countdowns and warnings of collapse, and fail to mention the firemans tapes which were released and clearly state that the fires could be knocked out with 2 lines. or the fact the people were standing in the impact hole, this shows that the extreme heat that is claimed could not possibly be true. You failed to mention thermate and Nano Thermate. The thermite theory you present holds no validity because the claim is that shaped charges were used mixed with sulfur. The charges you used contained regular thermite packed in plastic bags, not thermate in the form of a shaped charge.

2. You failed to show the core columns at the base that were sliced through at angles with molten steele dripping down them, or how the evidence was immediately shipped off and never available for examination. You know that it was not thermite that is being said to have been used, it is thermate and nano thermate specifically used in a shaped charge. You also show a demolition which looked completely fouled up to me! You claim that if explosives were used in the WTC there would have been evidence of fuses, this is NOT true have you heard of remote control, transmitters and receivers? Also since most of the rubble from the collapse was ground to a pulp and not even the electrical wires from the WTC were found either, how can you say that there were no wired explosives? Since there were no phone lines or electrical lines or extension cords found I guess they were never there.

3. You say you used scale versions to prove your theories but none of them were at actual scale and that is admitted on your own program. Why would you do experiments that have no scientific validity at all?
You used a wood and fiberglass box to represent the Pentagon! And you used a 4” piece of steel with a focused an concentrated fire.

4. We know most of the jet fuel was evaporated in the impact, on towers 1 and 2 so it is safe to say that after the impact whatever fuel that was left should have dripped to other floors and never pooling up in one area that would hold 700 gallons of fuel. In fact the fuel should have flowed to the outside of the building and flowed down the sides.

5. You melted a little bitty piece of steel under a 700 gallon pool of kerosene. That is not an accurate experiment, as I stated most of the fuel was evaporated on impact so the remainder would have fanned out over and through the floors. I want to see an actual piece of steel certified to the same specs and size used in the WTC buildings 1 and 2, put to the same test under more realistic conditions, as we all know that steel that is connected to steel in grids dissipates heat very well. You focused on a 700 gallon pool of kerosene consuming 1 small 4" beam in one focused area, the fires in the WTC buildings were sparatic at best!

6. As far as the Pentagon tests you performed, I would like to see a test of a an actual object with "wings" made of airline grade aluminum not a tube which you used for the test. I mean c'mon your National Geographic, and you do an experiment that is not only a waste of time and money but shows the fact that you are clearly avoiding certain topics and issues. You should build a scale version of the Pentagon Walls, with rebar reinforcing the concrete windows and all, not a box made of wood and fiberglass.

7. Explain what happened to the wings on impact as there is no visible damage to support a theory of wings penetrating the building.

8. You failed to mention 12 tons of titanium from the 2 engines that would surely have hit the ground once inside the pentagon. You failed to mention that although a nose made of composites was supposedly able to penetrate through the outer ring, while the titanium engines disintegrated into nothing.

9. I would like you to explain how the plane stayed airborne 6" from the ground with hitting the 1st floor slab on grade without causing any damage to the lawn of the pentagon. We all know a plane moving at those speeds just above the ground would leave damage of all kinds, you also fail to mention that the g forces that would be applied to such a situation would be un-obstainable to both the plane and the pilot. According to black box data provided and the science that goes behind it, all indicate the plane being at approx. 600 feet moving approx 530 m.p.h coming in at the angle required by distance and speed to hit the pentagon low and level let’s not forget clipping 5 light poles along the way. This situation which the official report describes is not physically able to happen and ridiculous at best.

10. Why did you not touch the subject of WTC 7 which is the most mysterious of them all. No plane ever touched it and the falling debris supposedly caused internal fires, but we all know that's not the truth. You also failed to mention the fact that thousands of records were being held there that were related to wall street scandals and the infamous Enron scandal, Also the heads of every major department were housed there.

I sincerely urge you to reconsider your position on this subject as National Geographic is supposed to be a trustworthy source of information, and put forth a truly non bias scientific and accurate evaluation and investigation.

I think that for you to be fair and impartial you must make a documentary showing these experiments that are brought forth with both sides involved in the experiment working together, the believers and non believers conducting the experiment.

Thank you very much for taking the time to read this, but I would like to see a follow up to this documentary addressing the issues which I have brought forth.

www.infowars.com
www.prisonplanet.com

Sorry I neglected to supply the link, here it is... :D

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS252554+08-Sep-2009+PRN20090908

Squibster:
I too LOVE the label Truther. I AM A TRUTHER AND PROUD OF IT! SO, ATTACK ME!!! :D I LOVE IT!

And with all the bad mouthing of NGC that I've done here, I want to thank whoever makes the decisions regarding this web site and forum for being open enough to allow people to express their feelings here whether negative or positive on this subject.

For that, National Geographic, you deserve some kudos.

peace
d

Squibster:
Thank you for your kind words and your measured, thoughtful post on the other forum... Here >>>
http://ngccommunity.nationalgeographic.com/ngcforums/shows/2009/08/911-science-and-conspiracy.html

Keep them coming brother.

We win this battle one person at a time. Every person who wakes up and starts to question the official conspiracy theory (of the day) STAYS awake. Some of those people go on to become rabid about this issue and wake a bunch of other people up. No wonder the shills and plants and agents and criminals are terrified of this whole issue.

For those people who honestly just believe the official story, I can only say this. You only believe it because you are unwilling or unable to carefully and thoughtfully investigate all the relevant facts. Your sources have been Television, the occasional spin piece from hacks like Popular Mechanics, and other people of like minds who reinforce your own thought processes. BREAK YOUR CONDITIONING! LOOK AT THE REAL FACTS, PLEASE! YOU ARE BEING USED AND YOU SHOULD BE FURIOUS!

A good place to start would be www.ae911truth.org
There you will find numerous indisputable facts presented by experts, engineers, architects and scientists showing the actual physical evidence! They're not making this stuff up people!!! They don't have to!

All National Geographic and similar programs can do is spin, demonize or ignore the evidence. But it's not working any more!

WE ARE WINNING!
peace freedom truth justice
d

PS
My name is:
David Christopher Short
I live in Salyer, California
It's no secret I've made it quite public, because I'm PROUD TO BE A TRUTHER!

CS – Mr. President , I realize were very short on time, so please allow me to run down a list of bullet points that might illuminate some reasons why we don’t embrace the warm hug of Federal protection.

PBO – We’ve come this far. Fire away.

CS – Please keep in mind Mr. President everything I’m about to say is documented as fact and part of the public record. The information you are holding in your hands chronicles and verifies each and every point.

PBO – You have five minutes left. The floor is yours. Brief me.

CS – Thank you Mr. President. Okay, first; On the FBI’s most wanted list Osama Bin Laden is not charged with the crimes of 911. When I called the FBI to ask them why this was the case, they replied: “There’s not enough evidence to link Bin Laden to the crime scene,” I later discovered he had never even been indicted by the D.O.J.

CS – Number 2; FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, was dismissed and gagged by the D.O.J. after she revealed that the government had foreknowledge of plans to attack American cities using planes as bombs as early as April 2001. In July of ‘09, Mrs. Edmonds broke the Federal gag order and went public to reveal that Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban were all working for and with the C.I.A. up until the day of 9/11.

CS – Number 3; The following is a quote from Mayor Giuliani during an interview on 9/11 with Peter Jennings for ABC News. “I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.”

WHO TOLD HIM THIS??? To this day, the answer to this question remains unanswered, completely ignored and emphatically DENIED by Mayor Giuliani on several public occasions.

CS – Number 4; In April 2004, USA Today reported, “In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties.” One of the targets was the World Trade Center.

CS – Number 5; On September 12th 2007, CNN’s ‘Anderson Cooper 360′, reported that the mysterious “white plane” spotted and videotaped by multiple media outlets, flying in restricted airspace over the White House shortly before 10am on the morning of 9/11, was in fact the Air Force’s E-4B, a specially modified Boeing 747 with a communications pod behind the cockpit; otherwise known as “The Doomsday Plane”.

Though fully aware of the event, the 9/11 Commission did not deem the appearance of the military plane to be of any interest and did not include it in the final 9/11 Commission report.

CS – Number 12; An astounding video uncovered from the archives shows BBC News correspondent Jane Standley reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. Tapes from earlier BBC broadcasts show news anchors discussing the collapse of WTC 7 a full 26 minutes in advance. The BBC at first claimed that their tapes from 9/11 had been “lost” before admitting that they made the “error” of reporting the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened without adequately explaining how they could have obtained advance knowledge of the event.

In addition, over an hour before the collapse of WTC 7, at 4:10pm, CNN’s Aaron Brown reported that the building “has either collapsed, or is collapsing.”

CS – Number 13; Solicitor General Ted Olson’s claim that his wife Barbara Olsen called him twice from Flight 77, describing hijackers with box cutters, was a central plank of the official 9/11 story.

However, the credibility of the story was completely undermined after Olsen kept changing his story about whether his wife used her cell phone or the airplane phone. The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004. American Airlines confirmed that Flight 77 was a Boeing 757 and that this plane did not have airplane phones on board.

According to the FBI, Barbara Olsen attempted to call her husband only once and the call failed to connect, therefore Olsen must have been lying when he claimed he had spoken to his wife from Flight 77.

CS – Number 14; The size of a Boeing 757 is approximately 125ft in width and yet images of the impact zone at the Pentagon supposedly caused by the crash merely show a hole no more than 16ft in diameter. The engines of the 757 would have punctured a hole bigger than this, never mind the whole plane. Images before the partial collapse of the impact zone show little real impact damage and a sparse debris field completely inconsistent with the crash of a large jetliner, especially when contrasted with other images showing airplane crashes into buildings.

The Crash site for Flight 93 is a joke.

With the recent events related to the Pan Am bomb and crash over Scotland -- they showed some of the old photos. There was a huge intact section of the nose of the plane.

At the 93 "crash" site the reports are nothing bigger than a phone book.

Complete and utter nonsence/dis-info. Total garbage.For the real science look up ae911truth and Professor Steven Jones.

Redirect; I'm having a lot of trouble on the NGC sites! The link above should have been:

http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/25/ward.htm

The games afoot! Old information just now coming to the forefront?

The black smoke that billowed out of the WTC Towers indicates the fire lacked oxygen. That means the jet fuel fire is less hot. The NGC documentary featured a company that tested a fire burning from 700 gallons of jet fuel that had a temperature increase from 471 degrees F to 2010 degrees F in two minutes.

Jet fuel only burns at around 600 degrees F when it has optimum oxygen.

This is a deliberate fraud allowed by NGC's producers. This is a media trick being used to deceive its audience. NGC has stupidly decided to join the conspiracy.

On the day devoted to 9/11 events the media forgot to mention its own decision not to cover the collapse of the 47 story building designated as Building 7. Can that be a coincidence driven by independent management or is it driven by a conspiracy agreement to not analyze the news blackout for the past eight years.

There are plenty of goofy conspiracy claims but this claim of silence on Building 7 is being perpetuated by the main stream media in spite of many other stories about 9/11 that are minimal in comparison with the collapse of the 47 story building that wasn’t hit by a plane. Can silence be a story? It can’t if no one notices.

Isn’t the near free fall speed collapse of the WTC Towers a powerful story? The near free fall speed of each of the three buildings can only be caused by exploding the massive steel columns that were built to hold the weight of the entire building. When you see the columns cut into straight pieces and strewn onto the tops of nearby buildings the accepted media version becomes ridiculous.

The secret story that demonstrates a media conspiracy to manipulate American citizens to behave against our personal benefit will not be broadcast to its audience by the media. To be duped into believing that the heat generated by jet fuel fires caused the WTC columns to weaken and crash to the ground murdering 2700 citizens including 343 firefighters and 23 police officers who came to rescue civilians is not to our benefit.

People hate to admit they were wrong. They really hate to admit they were purposely misled by an authoritative source they have trusted. Every media company from the far right, through the middle, to the far left have covered up both the building 7 collapse and the near free fall speed collapse. Both of these basic facts provide vivid proof that only controlled demolition was used on all three WTC Towers.

It is easier to comprehend that controlled demolition brought down building 7 in free fall speed than to understand that controlled demolition also collapsed the North and South Towers after each had been hit by a plane.

The work required to strap explosives to the columns of the vast WTC buildings had to involve more than 100 experts more than six weeks to complete. The North and South Towers were 110 stories and Building 7 was 47 stories. To be able to complete this job in time for the attack, the security force at the WTC needed to be manipulated to allow access by the expert commandos who strapped the explosives directly onto the hundreds of steel columns that needed to be removed to allow the near, free fall collapse of all three buildings. The columns were exploded out of the buildings. Many pieces of columns fell onto the roofs of nearby buildings.
The undisputed fact that allowed all three buildings to fall straight down into their own basements at free fall speed are the two simple elements that prove beyond any doubt that only controlled demolition was necessary to accomplish that result. The reason WTC building 7 has been blacked out by the entire media is that it wasn’t hit by a plane. There was no jet fuel fire in building 7.

The essential evidence that proves only controlled demolition would allow any building to collapse in almost free fall speed must be the simultaneous removal of its vertical columns that provides thin air to remove any resistance to slow that speed. Failure to remove the vertical columns would be powerful resistance and will absolutely slow the speed of the collapse and would have made the buildings topple rather than fall straight into each basement.

Not only did the media omit any report after 9/11 that mentioned the collapse of building 7, the report by the 911 Commission also omitted the collapse of building 7. Can any reasonable person imagine that none of the reporters who were physically stationed at the WTC after the planes hit the Towers and who mentioned hearing explosions on 9/11, never mentioned hearing explosions during subsequent broadcasts because they all independently decided not to report those explosions? The explosions they reported on 9/11 were directly the cause of controlled demolition and the reason every single reporter never mentioned hearing those explosions after 9/11 is more proof the entire media jumped into the conspiracy.

It is a common daily event for the media to replay almost every story it reports, dozens or sometimes hundreds of times. The omission of any reporting on the explosions they heard on 9/11 while they were at the WTC is conclusive evidence for their decision to be part of the criminal mass murder at the WTC by our government. There is no magic number of people who join any conspiracy. The popular notion that it would have taken thousands of people to implement the controlled demolition, proves nothing. Of course that notion sounds unlikely, but the entire 9/11 attack is unlikely.

The deduction that the WTC security must have allowed the expert crew access to rig the explosives becomes unquestionable. To learn from the security staff who was working in the WTC how this staff was manipulated by its management, would require an investigation by a team of law enforcement officers directed to solve the mass murder.

On 9/12, the media decided to join the conspiracy so nothing they say has any credibility.

The secret to black out the Building 7 story by the media is now undeniable. That secret indicates that voters are being manipulated and brainwashed.

If we fail to study and reconcile the media propaganda issue, we can’t expect a return to prosperity in America. Media companies are toppling financially because there are segments of American citizens who realize the complicity by these companies to deceive us.

Expecting media companies to expose their own criminal alliance to aid and abet the controlled demolition of the three WTC Towers would be silly. The beginning step to expose this issue needs to begin with the student and faculty body at HCC.

We can all go through life being bamboozled from accepting the obvious or we can choose to consider very carefully that the media keeps bombarding its audience with a con job designed to make us accept wars, contaminated food, unfair taxation, globalization, and the duopoly lockout of a third party.

The National Geographic Channel is a media outlet that specializes in documentaries. When NatGeo advertized its broadcast titled 9/11: Conspiracy & Science I watched it twice. During the NatGeo two hour broadcast I intently looked for the collapse of building 7. NatGeo showed building 7 collapse two times, but if you blink you’ll miss both times.

The other issue that was peculiar was the omission by Richard Gage concerning the near free fall speed of the collapse by each of the three WTC Towers. The twin towers each took 15 seconds to collapse and building 7 took 6.5 seconds. I have watched Richard Gage make his presentation more than six times. Gage shows, explains, and high lights the free fall speed issue because it is the strongest evidence that proves only controlled demolition is capable of allowing the free fall speed collapse.

I spoke with Gage on Monday 9/7/09 to learn if he had forgotten to mention the free fall collapse evidence. Gage assured me that he mentioned it clearly but NatGeo edited his statement out of their documentary. The fact that the National Geographic Channel would take the chance to jeopardize its own credibility eight years after the media conspiracy began, is itself a measure of confidence that its audience will ignore the many speeches by Gage available on the internet.

...normally, NatGeo plays programs over and over on their channel.. was this program only played one time?

Came across this lecture also yesterday (9/11/09). Its from 2006 but I hadn't seen it before, still revelent :

9/11 AND THE AMERICAN EMPIRE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3195658770053494633

The collapse of the WTC towers was planned. The reason for it was that they symbolized international relations. The collapse of the twin towers, symbolized the the collapse of relations between the U.S. and the rest of the world. Sorry. That was what I saw in my dream.

The twin towers were brought down because they symbolized

international relations. The twin towers were symbols of international relations. The WTC towers housed members of all the

countries of the world. The world. They were brought down like a single breath. How do people react to that kind of

savagery?

Don't mind us, we just being colored. We colored. Colored. We have a color! All of a sudden the word looks wierd. Just by looking at it! We are colored! Think about it!!!

Nat Geo of course didn't even begin to answer any good questions on 9/11?

Big one for me, I want to see 80 + more camera views showing me nothing at the Pentagon. The most video taped building in the world and we only have 2 views that show nothing.

If you haven't seen it yet watch "ZERO" on google, it's a documentary from Italy I believe one of the best ones I have seen, and I think I have about seen them all!

I was moderated out last week! I believe that if you devulge to much factual information or raise too many questions of a critical nature, prehaps to close to the truth, your views will be with held.

nat geo is a total rag. Propaganda tool for the nwo. 9/11 was an inside job, controlled demolitons, and cover-up.

just checking to see if this blog is still able to be added to or not..

Has anyone done any research into missing (?) plane that hit the Pentagon?

found this:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77w.htm

where did plane # 77 end up then, if not in the Pentagon..?