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Religion and philosophy as illness

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    ST34
    July 14, 2009 9:13 PM

    (the author of the text originates from outside of Anglosaxon lingual area)

    Religion and philosophy as illness

    1. All domain of esoterism, of yoga, of meditation can be counted to the area of primeval religion. It is the same what shamanistic beliefs and practices.

    2. These practices consist in the obtainment of the state of trance, in the same way as meditation [frequency of brain waves attains level Theta/Delta 0,5-7 Hz, similarly as during a sleep].
    Trance is the state of waking dream, in the same way one defined schizophrenia and in the same way can be defined paranoid psychosis.

    3. Thus this domain does not lead to enlightenment, only psychosis, that is to say illness.

    4. The illness appeared at the rising of religion, before tens thousands of years, and the illness appeared on following stage of development of religion and at the rising and during the development of philosophy.

    5. All field of religion, of philosophy (which is in fact an only certain version of religion) and most of the humanities, are self possessed by morbid condition.

    6. Exist no supernatural beings, from field of religion stays only reincarnation, but understood unlike till now.

    7. Posthumous state is the same what state of sleep (it is a state of unconsciousness), and is not a state of intelligent and goal directed activity (this is state of unactiveness)

    8. After the posthumous ‘sleep’, comes the time on birth and a next life, human holds stably mental level and other properties.

    9. The law of karma is a fiction, though following incarnations ′continue′ previous.

    10. Religion should disappear and give place subdomain of psychology interesting in the problem of 'posthumous state' as identical with state of sleep. There should disappear also philosophy and give place history of Science.

    ECTMO 579877, Denmark (2008)

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    resp. 1.
    Astrology is the same what the divination from scattered animal bones - so from an aleatorily obtained configuration, the part of bones fulfil planets; ‘the accurateness’ owes inaccuracy of used categories which each separately are able to contain the cross section through all problem areas.
    Of course, information value of such ′method′ must be equal zero.

    resp. 2.
    The british neurologist Hughlings Jackson (1835-1911) had remarked: "find out all about dreams, and you will find out all about insenity".
    In the first years after discovery of REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, researchers belived they had acquired a tool for investigation of Haughlings Jackson's premise. They supposed that schizophrenia might represent the intrusion of the dream state into wakefulness, and, therefore, there was the prospect of being able to link dream cognition to psychosis through REM sleep.

    In "Psychology and Life" (1977), P.G. Zimbardo, F.L. Ruch (subchapter concerning the sleep and dreams) we can find information that according to research of W.C.Dement from the sixties of twentieth century, occurrent symptoms of schizophrenia at patients, can be an indication of the activity which normally would find an outlet in the form of dreams in REM phases.

    resp. 3.
    from "Religion, culture and mental health" (2006), K.Loewenthal, Cambridge University Press, s. 18-19:
    "Peters, Day, McKenna & Orbach (1999) marshal the arguments that ‘certain groups of people have similar experiences to the positive symptoms of schizophrenia’ (notably delusions)...(Jackson & Fulford, 1997). Peters et al. compared members of two types of ... groups (New ReligiousMovements, or NRMs...) with non-religious people, and with psychotic patients suffering from delusions. The NRM members were drawn from the Hare Krishna group and from a Pagan order (Druids). Two measures of delusional thinking were used in this study (which included factors such as persecution, paranormal beliefs and religiosity). The main findings and conclusions from this study were:

    * Individuals from the NRMs scored higher than the non-religious on the delusions measures, but scored similarly to the deluded, psychotic group. This score included a measure of ‘florid, psychotic symptoms ... rarely endorsed in the normal population’ (the Delusions Symptoms-State Inventory, DSSI, Foulds & Bedford, 1975).
    ..."
    Buddhism for example consists in obtainment of the state of waking dream, which wrongly, similarly how in old shamanism, is taking as enlightenment; further it has to mean going out and the break-up of elements of the mental life - in this it is visible nihilism; in fact the losing of consciousness in the state of nirvana is the same what the losing of consciousness after fall into a sleep, and the only abiding effect is developing paranoid psychosis, the same refers to other forms of yoga (the enlightenment is a fiction).
    Buddhist koans are imitating an illogical and incoherent thinking characteristic for a state of sleep.

    Paranormal abilities can be explained as disorder of perception of spatiotemporal continuum, so a state of disorders (this is one from hypotheses).

    resp. 4.
    The beginning of religion ties in with the answer on the question about afterlife and with the rising of practices of shamanistic poisonings. These practices and technic of trance, that is to say waking dream (see p.2.), led to the development of mental illness.

    (from these practices derives modern drug addiction and prevalent custom abuses of the tobacco, coffee and alcohol)

    The rising of polytheism was connected with some morbid condition, because previous tendention had to find some form of continuation. The rising of monotheism ties in with the person of Akhenaton (Amenhotep IV, pharaoh of Egypt 1353–36 BC), which suffered from Marfan′s syndrome and because of disorders caused by this illness modified exaggeratedly and pathologically well-known more early monolatry. Akhenaton was a real founder of monotheism

    Middle East Aryans brought, during incursions, newly arisen monotheism to India. There came into being also the first philosophical version of this doctrine which we find in Upanishad, this is conception of absolute. This theory reached later to basin of Mediterranean Sea from India.

    The rising of philosophy in Greece distinguishes the appearance of the following ill figure, which was Pythagoras who created philosophy as the certain sort of absolutism (that is to say monotheism), so only as certain version of religion. Thenceforward, until today the most of philosophy exists exclusively as the certain sort of religion.

    Morbid condition is well visible at continuators of Pythagoras, such as Plato, Aristotle
    (for example the teacher of Plato Socrates was a complete fool and a degenerate who only copied techniques of Sophists, and Alexander the Macedonian schoolboy of Aristotle was a mere ill paranoiac), Plotinus, Thomas, Kant, Hegel and others.
    To convince himself about this will suffice take to hand writings of Aristotle, Kant, Hegel or Heidegger - they contain mostly balderdash and ′descriptions′ of rubbishes - so as revelations of mentally ill persons.
    Every stream of present philosophy, can be consider as manifestation of mental illness (including philosophy of science and analitic philosophy).

    From field of religion and philosophy illness forced its way to some other fields; overwhelming majority of the present humanities is an intellectual refuse dump and an expression of sickness states
    (aground of sociology a symptom of state of mental illness is antinaturalism or humanistic sociology, linguistics is as a whole useless but transformational-generative grammar is completely sick theory, illness of mathematics - Platonism began illness of modern physics - multidimensionality [more than 4 dimensions], and so on).

    resp. 5.

    resp. 6.
    do not exist angels, demons, paradises - it is only sleepy phantoms. While God and absolute is only a product of illness.

    On the other hand, leftist ethics and politics leads also to bad results similarly as described earlier sickness states. Examples can be problems of homosexualism, unborn childs or ′gift′ which made for USSR democratic President of the United States Truman in the form of Atomic weapon - what was a greatest political mistake in history (Truman procrastinated so long till the competitive power accessed to the new military technology). US Democrats had, have and will have unprobably stupid presidents.

    resp. 7.

    resp. 8.
    for example the composer in the next incarnation will be also the composer, if he is a male, will stay a male - sex is a constant property, the same as mental level (which can develop very slowly through many incarnations).
    An escape from body and the attainment in this way moksha is a sick delusion.
    It is impossible to remember previous incarnations, can't exist any concrete remembrances or images from them.
    Reincarnation runs from stellar plasma, through rocks, plants, animals to intelligent animals.

    resp. 9.

    resp. 10.
    The question what is the afterlife which was the beginning of religion, can prosperously be taken by psychology.
    Science itself should be cleaned also from superstitions and morbid ideas which the example can be mentioned already humanistic sociology, antinaturalism, marxism or psychoanalysis.

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    ST34
    July 19, 2009 10:13 AM

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    El_Zilcho
    August 10, 2009 2:26 AM

    While I am not a religious person, I do not think it is quite as cut and dry as you describe. The "definition" of something does not mean it is completely accurate. Trance is NOT the same as schizophrenia or paranoid psychosis. They are obviously quite different levels and cannot be stated as being the same thing. Usually people are in control when they enter into a trance-like state. Schizophrenia and paranoid psychosis are often in control of the person they are affecting. They may be similar, but they are very different.

    I'm not saying that religion can't be an illness. I've definitely seen my share of "psycho-Christians" who are definitely not right in the head. But I think that most followers of religion, at least the western ones, are just trying to fit in. People can believe anything if it is presented to them in the right way. To most people it doesn't matter enough for them to try to go against the grain, or they are just plain stupid. To me the knowledge of how we got here, what this place is, and why there is something instead of nothing, is very important. I'm not going to just accept religion because I have "faith". The religions that I know anything about just don't make any sense either. Most people don't care enough about that though, they will just believe what they are told to believe, it is as simple as that. Some people believe because it gives them good morals, some people believe because they need to feel their place in everything, some people believe because they need to feel protected. To me, none of this is as important as knowing the true reality of reality. Unfortunately, religions don't make sense, even science's answer doesn't make sense. So nobody really knows.

    I will admit that the driving force behind religion probably does have it's roots in mental illness. Many of the religious leaders probably suffer from mental problems. How can they preach so strongly about something that obviously doesn't make any sense? Followers, however, either just don't care or just don't know enough about it. And there's always the occasional nutcase thrown in there as well.

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