I understand that the government is involved in a lot of things that we don't know about. I'm sure they may have had more knowledge that this was coming than they've revealed. But I in no way believe the government could possible have been involved in this tragic day. I just don't think anyone in the government could orchestrate something like this and keep it quiet--it's too large in scale. Nor do I believe that they could ever come up with any justification for it. I don't even believe that doing something like this would ever cross their minds. But maybe I am naive and just have too much faith in the goodness of our American leaders.

Well, after the attacks there was in invasion of a nation (Afganistan) in which a natural gas pipeline was being built AND an invasion of another country not involved in the attacks. Lots of people got rich and the government more powerful without a peep of dissent. Just a thought.

I say let's put all the talk of conspiracy behind us. Let's have a genuine investigation. If Al Qaeda did this, fine. All we need to do is to tie up all the loose ends. Since the collapse of building 7 can not be explained in any rational way, short of controlled demolition, then all we need to do is to show how they did it. I am quite certain that no one has anything whatsoever to hide, so let's investigate, so that our leaders are not under any cloud of suspicion. I must admit however, that I was surprised at all the fuss made over the release of the Lockerbie bomber, while no one in our previous administration, nor their champions, seemed to feel that Bin Laden had anything much to answer for. At least not enough to "think about him much." The truth is... We all know there's questions. Starting a new investigation will depend solely on how afraid we are to find out the answers.

NGC makes a false dichotomy in the first two sentences. Yes, it was a terrorist attack. The only question is who did it and how. By what kind of warped logic is a controlled demolition of a building with 3000 people in it NOT a terrorist attack?

NGC you sure have a lot to learn.

The attacks of 9/11 were an inside job because that is what the evidence overwhelmingly shows.

Someone please explain a fire and gravity collapse scenario that can account for well over 1000 missing bodies - leaving no dna trace (see dna evidence at 911research.wtc7 net) That can turn the 90k tons of concrete in each tower to powder as occurred on 9/11/01, bury huge steel beams in buildings hundreds of feet away. Explain the "Put and Call Options" before the attack, the melted steel, the squibs, and WTC7s perfect implosion.
No one has yet to do this in a convincing manner.
NIST's atrocious cover-up and failure to test for explosives makes them accomplices after the fact!

Do not say, 'I am not a scientist or an engineer'
Our criminal justice system is based on lay people deciding bt'wn competing experts.

**Also Please see the shocking results of this 2 year study done in Denmark on dust samples from the destruction of these buildings - called, "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11" It is a scholarly scientific paper that has been peer-reviewed and is posted at "The Open Chemical Physics Journal "

also Google - 911research.wtc7 for excellent science based analysis and references.

One note: the internet is filled with misinformation about 9/11
so stick to the facts because only compelling evidence matters. and there are plenty of it.

Please get informed and demand a real investigation!

Explain the residual heat - the fires that would not go out.
They burned for months! - The FDNY put so much water on the pile they were creating a lake in lower Manhattan and the fires still would not go out. It turns out thermitic materials burn under water because they provide their own fuel and oxygen.

When we combine the fact that the collapse of WTC 7 immediately appears to be a controlled demolition, with the twofold fact that all prior collapses of steel-frame high-rise buildings have been produced by explosives, and that the collapse of WTC 7 has many features in common with planned implosions, the view that it was a planned implosion should be the natural assumption.

The burden of proof should be placed on any claim that WTC7 was brought down by something other than explosives, because this is the wild, empirically baseless hypothesis devoid of any historical precedent, which is just the kind of hypothesis that one expects to hear from irrational conspiracy theorists.
However the fact that the conspiracy theory being supported by this wild, scientifically and historically baseless speculation is the government's own is, for some reason, thought to justify turning things upside down. In this topsy-turvy framework, those whose theory is consistent with science, the empirical facts, and all historical precedent are ridiculed as nutty conspiracy theorists while those who articulate wildly speculative theory, which contradicts all prior experience, several laws of science, and numerous empirical facts, are considered the sober, sensible thinkers, whose pronouncements can be trusted without examination. - David Griffin Debunking 9/11 Debunking

Do not buy this idea of NGC's that pits 'science vs conspiracy theorists' Look at the facts and at the videos of these events.
youtube: North Tower Exploding and tell me what you see.

I am a Muslim. I am not just a Muslim, I am an American Muslimof African descent, i. e. Muslim African-American who is also an Imam. I am also one of a minority who does not believe in the "911 Conspiracy". Firstly, because I have researched this from the 911 Commission report, National Geographic and PBS documentaries on Afghanistan, The House of Saud, the Iraq war, Charlie Wilson's War (book and motion picture), etc. etc. There is something about conspiracy theories that seems present whether it the President Kennedy assasination, or this one. It's myopic view that people have with very little objective evidence or research. The other is I have never heard the principles, those who were accused, e. g. Usamah, or his associates say they did not plan, and were involved in it being carried out. For example, when the Saudi ambassador candidly acknowledge that, "when we realized that sixteen of the hijackers were from our country, it was a wake up call". Why would he/they acknowlede this if the men who have been identified as entering the airport as being from their country. Moreover, when you examine the video, "The House of Saud", they detail the origin of the countries, Egypt and Syria, where the influence, "Kharijite/Ikhwaan Brotherhood", who brought it to Saudi Arabia, while working in their schools and universities by which Usama bin Laden and others became influenced. If Usama bin Laden was not involved, if he was innocent of financing and coordinatin these acts, he is/was financially and media savy enough to counter the charges that the US government and its Intellgence agencies made against he and his organization. Also, it is clear that the ability of these "Araabs" to thwart the security and intelligence of the US is too much for some Americans of all stripes, who seem to live for the next conspiracy theory to be born, to resist. Not that this country and it agencies have not engaged in conspiracies before. Look at the history of the FBI and other law enforcement agencies engaged in during Native Ameircan, Civil Rights, and Black Nationalists organizations prior to 1980. Lastly, if you look at the blind ignorance and the agenda of the Bush administration, who were clearly advised and warned about this impending act of terroist violence, despite the 1993 bombing, along with the bombing in Kenya and Tanania, etc. etc. and their blatant intentions of invading Iraq to replace its eviction from Saudi soil, which had been promised by the current King, before he succeeded his then ill brother, King Fahd, and their pre-occupation with Iran, possibly justified, then it is blatanly clear that they missed the ball. Intentionally or not I don't know, but if they did plan or plant bombs as being suggested, it would have come out or will, but unless you know for a fact that Al-Qaidah didn't plan and carry out this mass murder/suicide, as Allah says in the Qur'aan, "their protestation about the Truth is only conjecture".

Sincerely,

Imam Abu Muhammad Abdullah

P. S. As for what is on the Net or You Tube, I advise you to listen to the prophetic words of "I heard it through the grapevine", and relying on the Net for all of you facts is not scholarly research"

The unburned nano thermite, burned thermite residue and solidified microspheres of iron found in WTC dust throughout the area in addition to the failure modes of WTC (cores destroyed first), the squib jets and the molten steel video taped pouring from a window, witnessed in basements and evidenced upon clean-up make it clear that buildings 1, 2 and 7 were explosively imploded.

Why? Remains to be learned. Many sky-scrappers could be wired for demolition to avoid collateral damage from toppling, but it was more likely a combination of beneficiaries: Allegedly WTC 1 & 2 were to be dismantled by 2007 due to bimetallic corrosion, but the EPA would not allow the less costly implosion due to dust pollution. The Bush brothers managed the company responsible for WTC security (Securacom). The Bush administration advocation Mid-East "destabilization" from which Israel would benefit. Mossad agents were reportedly arrested photographing and cheering the destruction. General Petraeus admitted that petroleum underlies U.S. policy in the Middle East. The only meaningful result of the Iraq invasion is the reestablishment of drilling/pumping contracts for U.S. and British oil companies. The military and the industry it supports benefit from war. See voluntarysociety.org/conditioning/conspiracy/911/.

Unfortunately, natgeotv will likely ignore the thermite and molten steel evidence like the government commissions and agencies did. At least the EPA confirmed the chemistry of the dust.

Bottom line on any conspiracy spare me the so called egg head genius-s check out my youtube site which I have formally spent years to develop and I did load those aircraft while attending school 757 767 and L1011s and can tell you Titanium does not just vaporize so check it out and comment if you like --I have piece of same structural steel made in same batch as WTC Steel same year 1969... Again this was all set up and you are welcome to see my tests....

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Real objective was WTC 5 oh yes all those files that was the big old give away and The Pentagon and the Ace pilot Ramsy Usef who could'nt fly a paper airplane to save his life.....I still wonder where that gold went yes I have pics of all that Gold bars under WTC where did it go????? Email me if you want PICs of it....I don't need that Lotto ticket if I had half that gold---?

Popular Mechanic looked at almost all the hoax claims back in 2005 and debunked them all.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

Why would National Geographic show some junk documentary full of ideas that have already been disproved by credible scientist? Don't you care about the accuracy or facts in the programs you are showing any more?

I guess the important question is who's Paying to get this information out on your network ? We know that Shayam Sunder NIST lied several times about Nist's findings then recanted . We know that they also basically eliminated Building 7 from their report as if a 47 story building could fall in 6.5 seconds into it's own foot print. They neglected to mention the molten steel that was documented by satellite imaging for over three weeks under the rubble pile . which is impossible without the use of thermite charges . We know that unexploded Nano-thermite was found and is documented in bentham Journals as peer reviewed evidence in all the dust samples. Has this film allowed any real architects and engineers to offer opinion or real facts ? Like Richard Gage at ae911truth.org , He is backed by 800 real engineers who build real skyscrapers . Not some computer sim that can be modified to achieve outcome. This is real life people , this is real science . This is not a theory it is a fact . The twin towers and building 7 were destroyed by controlled demolition and that is proven over and over . Now the question is exactly who did it .

The Towers were never very interesting to me. It was the demolition of building 7 that convinced me that the official version of the events of 9/11 was incorrect. Physics has proven that a building can NOT fall at free fall speed, through itself. Fire creeps and as it leaves an area that area cools. The official explanation was totally without a doubt false. Building 7 was brought down by demolition. Conspiracy did occur. Whether it was government or not it did occur.

I hope this documentary is better than the previous ones I've seen on the History Channel and the BBC. But I'm not expecting much.

I watched a brief clip of this upcoming documentary. Mete Sozen says something to the effect,

“The temperature here could have reached beyond 1200F and that doesn’t melt the steel it softens it. And that softening makes the restraints on the columns not as effective and the column itself becomes soft...so it bends to one side and there is a vertical load... and that takes care of it and it so it goes away and that is what happened to that building."

Narrator: "Purdue’s finding confirm the report by NIST that widespread fires initiated by the jet-fuel weakened the steel columns and brought down the towers."

There is no evidence that the steel columns got above 1200F. NIST's own report says, '"Of the more than 170 areas examined on 16 perimeter column panels, only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250ºC[482F]… Only two core column specimens had sufficient paint remaining to make such an analysis, and their temperatures did not reach 250 ºC."

The official explanation for "collapse initiation" is the inward bowing of the perimeter columns due to catenary action of the sagging floor trusses, not high column temperatures.

If National Geographic can't even get the official story right, then how can they accurately assess the arguments of the 9/11 Truth Movement?

I've always wondered why the Pentagon didn't collapse into itself straight down, like the WTC. Also, why more demolition companies don't use a top down approach simulating the great heat of the jet fuel which brought down the towers. I've seen videos of unsuccessful demolitions. It seems you couldn't get more perfect drops than what happened to the towers on 9/11. This should be studied and imitated.

9/11 WAS a conspiracy. To start with, there were nineteen guys on four planes who were involved with this conspiracy. Besides them, there must have been a number of others besides Osama Bin Laden. How many? Who knows? But they kept their secret well.

Last, I often wonder about the weather on 9/11. The day couldn't have been more perfect for the pilots of the planes. Not a single cloud in the sky. Pristine. Like it was ordered special. An impossibility, of course, but boy, were those guys luckier than most of the rest of us who plan things in September.

The demolition of the college dormitory showed on this program was very interesting because it showed that the central core was left standing. Why didn't that happen with the actual Twin Towers, or at least the one where the plane hit the corner and the core wasn't damaged? Also, why does this segment state that workers would have had to "cut through each column with acetylene torches?" The shaped charges cut the steel columns as stated in the segment earlier. Also, these charges could have been controlled using radio controlled detonators, thereby leaving no wires.

just spent 5 min signing up to this 0 credibility organization since im extremely pissed off. so ngc are you going to air loose change, or zero an investigation into 911, two documentaries proving 911 was an inside job. one text on your website says no evidence of controlled demolition was found at the wtc. well a prof of physics and a professor of chemistry found thermite in the dust which is used in controlled demolition. is your documentary going to show the 15 foot hole that a boeing is supposed to have flown into at the pentagon? are you going to tell the viewers that barbara olson made 0 calls and she is the only one who said anything about boxcutters? are you going to ask why the black boxes havent been released? are you going to ask why all videos of the attack at the pentagon havent been released? how about why a plane impact and fire could make the outer shell of a building made of concrete turn into fine dust from top to bottom? or the fact that 800 architects and engineers know the wtc towers could have fallen only by controlled demolition. you have no credibility and you have lost any and all idea of what evidence and science is.

Did everyone forget that Rumsfeld announced JUST DAYS before 9/11/01 that the Pentagon LOST 2.3 TRILLION dollars??? How do you LOSE that much money??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpWqdPMjmo

Check out www.ae911truth.net for the facts.

The REAL conspiracy is the "9/11 Omission Report". If it weren't for the Jersey 5 we wouldn't have even had that!! Check the facts people, and don't believe mainstream media....you know who owns THEM!!!

Correction: "Sorry man, you'll never convince me that our government DIDN'T at the very least allow it to happen and at the very most, orchestrated it." The Bush administration is GUILTY and the Obama administration needs to right the wrongs done by Bush/Cheney or he is just as guilty.

this is really amazing how knowledgeable people are. for all those that are not yet convinced, the truth is that conspiracies have and do happen. Gulf of Tonkin, Iran Contra, Reichtag Fire, USS Liberty, USS Maine, Lavon Affair, Operation Gladio, Plame Affair, Niger Forgeries, AIPAC spy rings, Operation Northwoods, Operation Paperclip, Kennedy was shot three times from three different angles, the streets in washington are outlined with masonic symbols (i threw the last two in there just because of ngc's opening remark up top), etc etc etc, all these incidents are searchable on the internet. as far as 9/11 goes, i apologize, but there are just so many smoking guns surrounding the events, literally hundreds, that i just cannot list them all here, but some of the most critical have already been mentioned in this forum. the collapse of wtc7 is really just so blatantly obvious and the fact that even the concept of a controlled demolition isnt even remotely entertained should be very questionable to anyone who still isnt convinced. John Gross of NIST denied the existence of molten metal which there is video imagery and firefighter testimony of. also just to reiterate, in NISTs recent report of the collapse of wtc7, they report of a top down collapse but admitingly state that the building collapsed at freefall speed for a period of time. bbc, cnn, and fox 5 in virginia all reported the buildings collapse early. there are countless testimonies, of eye witnesses and government personnel none of which make it to the msm other than what was live. one of the most popular is 'William Rodriguez'. neither popular mechanics nor the mainstream media dared to openly discuss these issues until this particular ngc special which any informed activist could easily discredit. im not saying this to be arrogant, but it really is true. the only way to cover up a lie is with more lies. the overwhelming majority of nyc residents already know these talking points along with the scores of details as well. theres hardly even any debate anymore amongst the residents, in fact the only real debating on the issue that goes on is who exactly is responsible, and the fact that the msm still fails to mention this is rather comical. they really need to just give it up. as far as WHO is responsible, take a close look at Bush's 'Office of Special Plans.' take a look at particular individuals involved in the Niger Forgeries and the Plame Affair. and take a look at the names on 'PNAC' which was taken nearly verbatim form Israeli documents and policy papers. it didnt take thousands or even hundreds. just a handful. many of these particular peoples had already been caught spying for AIPAC at one time or another.

For those of you anxious to see this documentary, let me save you the time by making a prediction...

First they'll start off by muddying the waters with generalities and mix the moon landing, JFK and a bunch of (whether valid or not) other totally unrelated issues. Then we'll see the "Why do we as a society love conspiracy theories so much."

And of course we'll hear that nonsensical age old "It just frightens some people to imagine that random horrible events like this can happen, so it makes some people feel safer to believe their own government did it" statement the debunkers.

Then we'll move on. We'll see the common mix of the Pentagon "was it a missle or a plane" bit. They'll build a few other strawmen that way and present the weakest or most outright ridiculous claims that nearly no one in the 9/11 truth movement believes.

Then they'll really get "edgy" and investigate the claims of nano thermite possibly and then claim, "no one could have wired all of that together and not been noticed" while ignoring the fact that demolitions are commonly done via remote control--that kind of thing.

And of course they'll completely ignore FBI agents being pulled off al Qeada investigations prior to 9/11, Norman Mineta's testimony that showed Cheney chose not to sound fire alarms so he could get his body count, Barry Jenning's testimony, the war games taking place the day of 9/11, Able Danger, Vigilant Guardian, the CIA overruling the consular's office in Jedda and ordering hijackers to be let into the U.S., hijackers being trained at U.S. military bases and the lst goes on. I guarantee you they won't touch any of that.

JUST WATCH!

i just wanted to add, many of us 'conspiracy theorists' dont do this because we love 'conspiracy theories', we do this because we care. most will hardly argue that the objective of drug companies is to sell drugs, so it should come as surprise that corporations and banks profit heavily from war. its all about the money, as is everything. during the Iraq-Iran war, we were arming both sides, just as western contractors now fund the Taliban, our support for the Pakistans ISI also goes without mentioning. Halliburton is richer than many countries are now and even has a standing army. in 2007, 3.66 billion barrels of oil were imported into the US worldwide, but only 15% of that oil came from Saudi Arabia which is by far the middle easts chief exporter, the surrounding countries dont even come close. our annual defense budget exceeds $1 trillion which is by far the most per capita worldwide. if a third of our salary goes to taxes, and half of that goes to the defense department, that would mean that we labor for two months straight every year to fund illegal wars for corporations. aside from these wars being immoral, they are unsustainable. we cannot possibly police the world financially, and unless we kill every single arab or person on the planet for that matter, we will never win a war on terrorism. exposing 9/11 = an end to the wars.

just because i havent seen it mentioned yet, Marvin Bush, W's younger brother, was on teh board of directors for securacom/stratesec which was run by Wirt D Walker III who is their cousin. securacom/stratesec provided security for the world trade center, dulles international airport, and united airlines.

Let's just be truthful here...

There is NOTHING that National Geographic, Popular Mechanics, any group of scientists or even GOD HIMSELF could say, do or demonstrate that would change the conspiracists point of view.

The 'inside job' conspiracy has moved beyond a theory and become a full-fledged RELIGION, akin to the GORISTS, HARI KRISHNAS, MANSONS, JIM JONES FOLLOWERS, BRANCH DAVIDIANS and OBAMANIACS.

For the nutbars, ask yourself this question:

WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO CONVINCE YOU THAT YOU WERE WRONG?

If you answer truthfully, you'll be making the first step toward recovery.

Yeah, it's WAY easier to believe that a plane rammed into a building, leaked some fuel which then burned paper and made a hot enough flame to melt steel that caused a gigantic building to collapse, but yet COINCIDENTALLY not hot enough to even singe a passport of one of the hijackers which amazingly was found ON TOP OF ALL THE RUBBLE.

Yeah. We believe that. Sure we do. Cuz it's easier to believe that than to believe that George Bush would LIE about something.

Right.

That's why we found all those WMD in Iraq, right?

Watch ANY controlled demolition that's filmed, and you'll see how the demolition experts over and over and over again tell you how it's necessary to time the explosions JUST RIGHT so that the buildings fall in, instead of toppling over. In fact, they'll tell you how it needs computer control to get the timing just right.

BUT - a plane hits a building ON THE CORNER, and it happens to hit JUST RIGHT and the flames all melt the steel at exactly the same time so that the buildings fall straight down.

Gee, next time they need to demolish a building, instead of hiring demolition experts, just fill the interior with jet fuel and paper and let it burn. It'll implode all by itself!

I do believe that was a terrorist act. The terrorist were set up by domestic socialist/communist revolutionary’s, which they pop up when their “socialist leader Obama took office”. All is coming to light now. It has something to do with President Bush, the domestic communist revolutionary, which are now part of the Obama’s cabinet and administration wanted to overthrow our government and change the structure of American Government. They want to implant SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM into our system by revolution and “race card, as they put it “by people of color and justice”.
Why do you think George Soros, the communist emigrant from Hungry spend all his millions to support Obama’s campaign when Obama doesn’t have the right to be a President anyway? Obama did not document his right to be a President of the USA, he is a Socialist, trained by American communist and filled his administration and cabinet with revolutionary’s, socialist, communist “czars”, try to bankrupt US, try to remove everything American people invented, designed and worked for it!

* Excessive taxes.
* Government bailouts and takeover of the private
Businesses sector.
* Massive entitlement programs and Welfare.
* Shameful disregard for our nation's Christian
Values, English language and American history.
* Diluting our American culture and bankrupting our
Country through lax and illegal immigration
Policy.
* Complete failure to protect our borders.
* Creation of the biggest Ponzi scheme of modern
time- The Federal Reserve and our gold-less
banking system.
* Continuous erosion of our sovereignty through
participation in the United Nations, NAFTA,
various damaging treaties, and staggering national
debt to foreign countries.
* The erosion of our First Amendment rights through
laws that limit, ban, and criminalize "politically
incorrect" thought and speech.
* Stealing our privacy, liberty and freedom under
the guise of "protecting" us from terrorism.

The list goes on and on, but the biggest, personal
government intrusion of all may be just months away...

It might be interesting and certainly illuminating to learn what percentage of those who believe something other than the official version of the 9/11 cause also believe that a UFO was recovered at Roswell in the 1940's, that the Apollo Moon landing was hoax, and that global warming is a fraud. My guess: close to 100%.

I use to enjoy government conspiracies - that is until I started working for the government. Get a grip folks, they can't even get one piece of paper from one place to another without losing it! An entire conspiracy!?? Forget it...

It's been said that people will trade reason for an imagined sense of security. The 9/11 US Government false flag attacks are a perfect example.

THANK YOU NGC THANK YOU --HOPE YOU TOOK MY IDEA OFF MY SITE BUT THANK YOU GOOD JOB PIT AND FIRE!!!!

Why aren't you posting my comment??????

Way to go Nat Geo. You picked EMRTC, an institute that does research for the Dept of Homeland Security, FBI, and CIA. What a bunch of BS. And, since when do aluminum planes snap steel girders?

Nat Geo has gone the way of the Conjecture (History) Channel and mainstream media. Anyone can be bought. I hold my beliefs for free.

First, my background. I'm a former Air Force Explosive Ordnance Disposal Specialist (18 years exp. in bomb disposal military and private), been to Iraq twice, and a former law enforcement officer. I pulled four Secret Service Presidential Protection details for Presidents Reagan, Bush Sr. and Clinton.

That the Bush administration knew of a coming attack cannot be debated. They were warned in the August 2001 memo. John Ashcroft stopped flying commercially months prior to 9/11 based on FBI information.

So, for those who DON'T question the "official" story, here are my questions to you:

1) How is it that Vice-President Cheney was hustled to the shelter below the White House the morning of 9/11 by the Secret Service, but, President Bush was NOT hustled from an exposed elementary school by the USSS travel team? You DO remember Andrew Card TELLING Bush that "America is under attack", by hijacked aircraft, yet, the USSS agents didn't get the President to a safer location? Why not?

2) After 9/11, I attended a law-enforcement only FBI briefing on the 9/11 hijackers. The FBI agent showed us how they had tracked all of the supposed hijackers around the world, some for as long as 19 years, but, claimed that when these individuals entered the United States, suddenly, they could not find ONE of them. Not ONE. They could track these people from third-world country to a desert cave, but, couldn't find ONE of them inside our own borders? Do YOU believe that? (On a side note, later, the FBI claimed it had NO EVIDENCE that these 19 individuals actually committed the hijacking).

3) Argue WTC 1 and 2 all day long. Tell me how WTC 7, which was NOT hit by an airplane, had the same superficial damage as other buildings around the WTC complex, suddenly dropped into its footprint minutes AFTER people inside were TOLD to evacuate because the building "was coming down". First, who had ESP to KNOW the building was coming down in the first place?

Answer those three questions, and then wonder about the rest.

WTC 7 had to have been Rigged for that perfect demolition and WOW those so called Terrorists must have just all been Mission Impossible guys HUH---Amazing WORLD 757 and 767 only two planes that can be flown totally by remote oh yes remote controll just like OLD GRANDPA loves to fly on /Sundays model airplanes....I do believe those JIHADIS took contorl of planes but somebody else flew them really good by remote!!!!

So who at Nat Geo gets to play in the President's golf tournament at New Mexico University? http://www.nmt.edu/

Of course commercial grade thermite isn't the same as nano thermite. Which engineers do you choose to believe?

http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_thermite_connection.html

Here it is, complete with bibliography. NIST knew about the technology. Stick your heads in the sand but remember what part of you is still exposed.

NATGEO is now into PROPAGANDA for the Government. "TRUTHERS..." NATGEO played their hand in the first minute! That word alone shows a bias. How about this for a conspiracy?.... There are no Underground Military bases, there are no detention centers, there is no SKULL & BONES, there is no ulterior reason for anything our Government does! What about WTC7? It was never hit with any plane. And it goes down from a few fires. Yea right! If I'm a "TRUTHER" then the opposite is a "LIAR" which is what the Government (and NATGEO) is good at. Watch the Youtube videos of George Bush lying about his witnessing the impact. Look at all of this stuff on YOUTUBE, at least I believe that before I'll believe this NATGEO PROPAGANDA. The Rockefellers thanked the media for keeping their mouth shut for 30 plus years while they (ILLUMINATI) carried out their plans for a ONE WORLD GOVERNEMENT. Oh yea, and there is no plans for a One World Government or a New World Order. George Bush Sr must of just accidently said that by accident. Jesus Christ said he is the way the truth and the life. Does that make the SON of GOD a "Truther? Now I know the NATGEO is an arm of the controlled media. Joe Biden said to John Roberts (Supreme Court nominee) that he would rule on implantable microchips before his tenure was over, so that makes me a TRUTHER because I heard Joe Biden say that the Supreme Court would rule on implanting humans? So be it. NATGEO, you couldn't have displayed a more obvious bias if you tried. What about the audio of all of the people leaving the buildings hearing explosions? How come no bodies were ever found at the Pentagon? How come there was no aircraft wrekage at the Pentagon that was indicative of a commercial aircraft? How come the narrator said "TRUTHERS" dozens of times. There is another way to address an opposing view without spinning a derrogative label on it? Hey, if Jesus Christ is a "TRUTHER" then I'm in good company.

And where are the plane's engines from the Pentagon hit? Titanium alloy doesn't disintegrate. Why won't the FBI release the ENTIRE video of the "plane" hitting the Pentagon? They already admitted they "don't need to". Why not?

to anyone in these posts that actually wants to believe that NatGeo channel only has the truth of what happened on 9/11 in mind and would never produce a show that was unfair to one side or the other i present this information for you to digest...NatGeo channel is produced by the National Geographic Society. The current Chairman of the Board of Trustees of National Geographic is Gilbert Melville Grosvenor, who received the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2005 for the Society's leadership for Geography education. From which president GW Bush need i say more?

Well, that was a waste of an hour and a half. SCIENCE ??? Please. What a joke. The truthers seem to be simply asking for a real investigation. The others seem to have their collective head buried in the decisions of authority. I'd still like to know how such a crappy pilot was able to fly less than twenty feet AGL into the Pentagon. Would it have been an act of war if the Pentagon were not hit - or would 9/11 have been a very large criminal act?

Is it me or does Nat Geo seem biased. Why didn't they bring up the fact that a building that was untouched by flying jets, fire, etc. just collapsed? I'm not the smartest man in the world by any means but how is it possible for Tower 7 to fall on its own. Can anyone use common sense and explain this. I have lived in many cities and I don't remember any large buildings just randomly falling. Why is there no collision marks on the side of the Pentagon from the 10,000 lb jet engines that were attached to the wings? I worked at the Pentagon for 3 years and I have personally seen quite a few cameras. Why not release all the footage from these cameras? I am not saying the government was or was not involved i'm just asking a few common sense questions from a common sense guy.

I thought this show answered all of the questions except the most obvious one to look in to. I would just like to know more about Flight 93 and why there were two debris fields. I am sure there is a logical explanation for this. Due to my lack of knowledge in airplane crashes,I would like this explained to me. I am not suggesting anything. I would just like to know more.

And here is a perfect example of another scenario where the truth is hidden...watch this on youtube: Monsanto and Cancer Milk: Fox news kills story and fires reporters.

Oh ya, and Murdoch owns both Fox News and Natgeo. Go figure.

Another so-called 9-11 "conspiracy debunking documentary" that somehow magically spends two hours of our time and manages to say absolutely nothing of substance. The unfortunate truth is that the mainstream media is nothing more than an accomplice to the sinister events surrounding the events of 9/11. I especially enjoyed how National Geographic did not even mention the most suspicious part of the 9/11 calamity- WHAT HAPPENED TO BULIDING 7. It was not struck by a plane or sustained any major structural damage yet imploded at 5 or so pm into its own footprint at nearly freefall speed. Debunk that NGC....I will donate my house to charity if you can explain that component away.

I so eagerly looked forward to this program, only to have my intelligent thoroughly insulted! What a shabby, transparent proganda piece it was! Did they really think such amateur debunking "tests" would sway our opinion? C'mon! If they want to persuade us to believe the governments crappy version of 9/11, they will have to produce much more sophisticated "evidence". Cripes, what a joke!

i'm furious at NATGEO.. Again, I don't believe in a full blown conpsiracy.. i emphatically believe that hijackers took down those buildings.. however, there are sooo many questions that NATGEO was afraid to ask and answer.. this was a complete farce. The reason why this country is soooo isolated is our media. our media is the dictator in this country. its manipulated and construed to fit the needs of the owners of the media companies and approval from advertising dollars. A clear example as another user pointed out about how corporations and the media control our country. Example: Monsanto - the FDA is fully aware that dairy farmers in this country add a chemical to milk that is cancer causing! this is fact! yet, when reporters tried to report it, they were fired b/c Monsanto threatened to pull their Advertising dollars.. we are puppets manipulated by the media and talking heads. we are so naive and ignorant to how deeply isolated we are. Corporations run this country, not government. Corporations control lobbyists, corporations can donate whatever the heck they want to a campaign, yet as individuals there are laws that limit us to about $1000 - so many laws are passed with out our knowledge b/c "The Corporation" does a good job of keeping it quiet.. You are more apt to find more truthful news on the interenet than your evening "selective coverage" news..

may watch NGC again. There was an obvious agenda to snadwich the 911 program between 2 1 hour programs about Hussein. I wanted to see an equal amount of dialog from both side , instead I saw dis-associated experiments that were meant to confuse. I admit that I will thank you for motivating me to do more searching on my own. NGC will no longer be part of that research.

C

Just finished watching the show, overall i thought the experiments were vague and inconclusive. I am really upset that they completely ignored building 7 and offered no explanation for it!!!

This program was insulting. I expected more from NGC.

i cant believe this! they spent more time talking about why people believe in conspiracy theories than anything and then it randomly started talking about pearl harbor and jfk. the first time, i was thinking ok good comparison, by the fourth time it just became an annoying time filler. it seemed far too biased as well to provide a valid argument, and made the term "truther" seem like the most demeaning, derogatory word to describe the people that believe in the conspiracies.

the funny thing is the animations that required "1000s of man hours" were pretty useless, sure they accurately depicted how the plane crashed but thats why we have video! it didnt solve or help anything. and the experiments they showed could have been much better crafted. for example the rocket test to show the pentagon crash, one of the MAIN components was the wings! yet they decided to completely dismiss them in the experiment. and the thermite test didnt work for them, but that still doesnt explain the pools of molten liquid on ground zero. and they hardly even looked into the WTC7 part of it. and then they showed an entirely new theory with rogue planes that i had never even heard of, and that few if any people believe.

im sorely disappointed, i was hoping for a well thought out argument that actually proposes interesting facts and data for a more intellectual debate, but i am left with a completely biased bash against "truthers" with irrelevant information about why conspiracies occur thrown in

know what I find funny?

Larry Silverstein said in that PBC documentary about Building 7 that they gave the order "To pull" the building..

Then conspiracy theorists came out and said "there is another piece of evidence laying claim to controlled demolition and a conspiracy" - THEN the "Debunkers" and mainstream media didn't cover this, they ONLY said that "To Pull" a building is NOT an industry term and just another piece of evidence where Conspiracy Theorists make up facts to fit their agenda"

Well.......
"To Pull" a building is a unified, globalally term used in Controlled Demolotion to "Blow the building - and bring it down"

Yes, I will be a devils advocate and acknowledge he could've meant "to pull - to evacuate all personele and firefighters from the building"

Left for interpretation I guess...

Is NATGEO blocking Posts? Or am I just annoying and talking too much? lol

I have left a couple of posts of varying degrees and questions..
Funny tho.. all the posts of mine that i do not see getting "approved" or added to this discussion all had one thing in common -
and that was a question and statement about two CIA Agents:
Chip Tatum - to help prove how indeed our U.S. government does involve itself in illegal covert operations..
and
Mike Vreeland - the supposed CIA Agent arrested in Canada where it only seemed he was arrested to shut him up as the weeks and months prior to 9/11 he tried warning both U.S. and Canadian governments of the impending attacks!

I am a huge fan of National Geographic Science and Technology programming. Some of your programs are right up there with programs that I have seen on Nova. I applaud National Geographic for making this kind of programming available.

With that said, I just finished watching 911 Science And Conspiracy. I was very disappointed by the feeble experiments that were conducted and the overall one sidedness of the program. Any intelligent views should be insulted by this show, I certainly was. I sincerely hope that the slop served up in 911 Science And Conspiracy does not leach into the quality programming offered by National Geographic that I have come to enjoy so much.

ShamWow! this was hysterical. Those experiments didn't shed any light on the theory as far as I'm concerned...except, I did not know that the temp to WEAKEN steel was attainable by the jet fuel.

Even though the beam they used was much smaller and the experiment was in no way proportional...I think it's viable to conclude that the jet fuel weakened the beams and caused the fall. Video shows the fire on the entire floor, and there were beams severed by the plane impact.

But, I do still think entities within the US knew about it and orchestrated it. Mainly in the Bush Admin.

Weird how Matt Taibbi contributed to the truther bashing, he knows how corrupt american power is. Check out his article in Rolling stone....

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/28816321/inside_the_great_american_bubble_machine

Nat geo danced around important topics even worse than the History Channel's assessment. PATHETIC, insulting showing.

I usually trust the National Geographic brand, but am extremely disappointed in this particular program. Why not just do a program on the psychology of conspiracy theorists instead of pretending to perform "scientific" debunking of valid questions? I wish I could get my 2 hours back.

Whether or not 9/11 was a false flag operation is irrelevant. What you need to see is that we are slaves. Our economy is mathematically designed to get worse with time. The Federal Reserve is responsible for everything that you hate about your life. If you want hard documented fact, and not another conspiracy theory, AND the solution, then go here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

Also, if you can tell me how those massive towers reached sea level in about 8 seconds, then ill submit to you it was legitimate.

Just watched this program and I am soooooo disappointed. I can't believe Nat Geo would sponsor such a thing. The scientific justifications were so phoney and showed great ignorance.

Concrete---Don't you know that cement adopts properties according to how it is made, with what components, and what ratio of components to each other? And the biggest ignored fact of all: concrete continues to harden throughout its life; 20 year old concrete is infinitly harder than 1-year old concrete. I have seen 100-year old concrete that a jackhammer can't handle. Where did the program's concrete come from and was it anywhere close to the chemical composition and age of the WTC and the Pentagon?

Steel---The chemical composition of steel totally determines its physical properties. This variation includes wide differences in melting point, ductility, hardness, etc. Steel is chemically formulated for many diverse purposes. So where did the testers get their steel and were its properties anything close to the steel used in the WTC and Pentagon?

All in all, this program wasted the time of many people, both the people making it and those viewing it. I tuned in thinking there would be some real scientific tests conducted, but all the tests were meaningless.

Yes, just another conspiracy like,

Pearl Harbour
The Y2K Bug
9/11
Bird Flu
Swine Flu
and now Global warming.

National Geographic, you should be ashamed! I would have hoped that you presented a balanced view of this subject. The "experiments" were very unscientific - like comparing apples to oranges - and one sided. So little of the truther's theories were address and so much ignored. I hope you realize the karmic debt you have incurred.

These so-called truthers are simply IDIOTS. I wouldn't be surprised if they are also flat-earthers...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society

I watched the top floors of the towers go up from my grandmother's window in Jersey City. I will never forget that sight. I am also haunted by the sight of them falling. They may as well say that ailens did it!!!! There is alot of film and the people NEVER came home!!!! Anyone with a high school degree knows what happen, those with higher education maybe paid to much for a peace of paper and have no comin sence! I hope you get your head out of whatever fog you are in!!
Sincerly
John F. Murphy
Sparta, NJ

I just finished watching the show. I do not have time to read through all the posts tonight but surely will tomorrow at work, so I apologize if this has already been written. I noticed during the show that when David Griffin's name appeared, all it said was Phd. I was curious to see what his studies entailed, and needless to say I was not surprised. Albeit he is probably a very intelligent individual, his field of study has nothing to do with the engineering matters to which this discussion concerns. His Master's Degree is in Counseling from U of Oregon (which is another story) and his Phd is in Philisophical Theology. With that bit of information anything this man comments on dealing with any sort of Physics/Engineering or any other practical science has to be deemed worthless. With actual Phd's in both Civil and Material Engineering from two of the most prestigious Engineering schools in the nation (Purdue and MIT) arguing against him, he still argues his point based on "Engineering Principles". I don't buy it and yes I am an engineer (Mechanical from Michigan Tech). Can't wait for the comments

Interesting program, but could have been more detailed. Myself and my PhD wife do not believe in "conspiracy theories" but do not blame others that do."A 1994 study...discovered that minorities and young people were most likely to believe in conspiracies, and that correlated with...a personal distrustfulness...also found, that subjects who accepted one conspiracy tended to believe in others as well...''"belief in conspiracies is a GENERALIZED IDEOLOGICAL DIMENSION (emphasis is mine)''" I won't quote the whole artical. You see! I've
just started a conspiracy theory!
But hey, do you blame them? no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyyRXfROhrc
This clip is from a movie called Zeitgeist. I'm not sure if this is the complete clip of when they talk about 9/11, I think they analyze it much more in the full length movie.(if any of you have never seen Zeitgeist, look it up on the internet, you can see the entire movie for free on google video) I like this clip because it shows the diagonal cuts made in steal beams within the debri of the WTC. You can see it plain as day. This is exactly the kind of evidence found at the site that this documentary said doesn't exist. Please watch the entire movie, or at least the section on 9/11. It will blow your mind.

National Geographic: I'm curious how much time and money was spent making this program. Whatever the sum, I can assure you that it was all a complete waste. Why?

1) Your tests were farcical. You ignored the rules of the scientific method. When you test a hypothesis of what occurred during a previous event, you must use identical materials that were present in that event. If that's impossible, then your test results are reduced to mere conjecture. So many of your materials were so far off that the show became laughable.

2) The last half-hour of the show was dedicated to commentary on the birth and growth of conspiracy theories and the psychology of people who read into and/or believe in them. You could have used this time to further examine the evidential claims of the "truthers" on your makeshift panel and at least pose a discussion. The fact that you didn't makes you look like you were simply afraid of what you would have to air. That makes this presentation of yours unfair and unbalanced.

I've heard both sides of the discussion surrounding 9/11 over the years and at this point I don't know what to think, but I do know this: If I was a "truther", I would immediately label this show a propaganda piece and accuse NGC of being part of the problem instead of making a positive contribution in pursuit of the real answers. Shame on you, NGC. The next time you convince me to watch a two hour presentation on something as important as 9/11, you'd better make it good or I'm giving up on you.

I was shocked and disappointed in National Geographic's biased documentary about 9/11. The almost constant theme, especially at the end, was that conspiracy was endemic to American culture, and that 9/11 simply offered more fuel for this unfortunate tendency.

Why does no media channel explore the probable reasons for 9/11? In other words. who wanted to attack us and why? Answers were offered during the 9/11 investigation by FBI officers but their testimony was cut short. You can see this on
segments aired on YouTube if you like.

Why not try to answer questions "Truthers" bring up like why the secrecy around the 9/11 official investigation instead of the repeated suggestion that loonies need to find conspiracies, patronizingly suggested again and again by the too long segments with suave and professionally reassuring David Aaronovitch.

The silly I beam and wooden box experiments you spent so much time on proved what again? I have seen on YouTube and other sources detailed footage of the perfectly vertical collapse
of both Twin Towers, and it sure looks like demolition to me, complete with little flashes of light on lower floors.

Why not give supoena power to interested groups and re-open the 9/11 investigation? And what about the actual apparently identified terrorists who did the dirty deed? Were they in fact Saudi Arabians? Or who were they, and what does that mean?

Why is Israel never mentioned, and why have we vetoed over 80
UN resolutions against that country. Why do we give unqualified
support for everything Israel does. And what HAS Israel done to anger all Arabs so thoroughly?

Yes, I am suggesting no conspiracy, but instead that an Israel-9/11 connection is possible, but never discussed. Who but Israel has blown up tall apartment buildings with innocents in residence, and does not 9/11 look very much like retaliation for
events like that that have happened in the Mideast?

Let's stop pooh-poohing 'conspiracy' theories and deal with
facts that the American media prefers not to touch. National Geographic, who sponsors you and why do you fear to tread on
sacred ground, and whose sacred ground is it anyway? How about a real renaissance of investigative journalism from you, one of the most trusted and respected names in media?

Sincerely yours,

Barry Wright

1. Larry Silverstein, leaseholder of WTC, said on video they decided to 'pull' (demolish) Bldg. 7. This 'pulling' requires masssive preparation...when was it prepared for pulling? And who did the pulling?
2. Silverstein was required prior to 9/11 to spend $70 B to remove asbestos covering beams at WTC. (Wonder why there are so many mesothelioma ads running...ads for a disease that is extremely rare? (And isn't asbestos a fire-retardant?)
3. Just show ONE picture of a Boeing hitting the Pentagon and the "official" version gains some credibility.
4. Why was a hijacker's passport miracously found in the debris when not one Middle Eastern name was on any passenger manifests?
5. Why did two of the hijackers train at NAS Pensacola in Fl? And why did another Saudi, working as an instructor at NASP, mysteriously die in an unsolved aircraft accident after 9/11?
6. What caused the hundreds of explosions on the lower levels of Bldg. 1 and 2?
7. AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL - WHY DID BUSH NOT, NOT WANT AN INVESTIGATION OF THE MOST HORRENDOUS ATTACK IN HISTORY ON THE UNITED STATES ?

As I expected , This video was completely one sided offering nothing but the official story and all the so called evidence was contrived by a computer simulation . National Geographic channel should be ashamed of itself for airing this fluff piece . I'm sure at this point you are being inundated with e-mail and I'm quite sure it will continue . You channel will be boycotted I'm sure of it . If you want to show a real investigation show Blueprint for truth like KBDI did in Colorado. They had the best broadcast ratings of their history when they played that film . Stop being puppets man . You will never be able to convince rational people that the official story has an merit any more . Too much real evidence is in place now.

How did 'investigators' find pictures of all 19 hijackers and post them just days after the attack? And how did they know so fast that they were the hijackers?

Can anybody tell me who sponsered this production? Who sposored the Nova piece with the plane impact reanactment? As long as large corporate sponsors produce our media, America with be subject to this kind of "Artificial Reality" programming. I find it a shame that the once noble name of National Geographics has been dirtied in this way.

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Any one notice a trend here? Why would a channel sponsor primarily by major oil companies want to conseal that we executed 3,000 New Yorkers to trick American's into invading the 4th largest oil producer in the world?

Any person who has spent any “real” time to discover what some of the people in this government are capable of doing knows that anything is possible when it comes to cover ups. If you bought a million dollar policy on your spouse and then they “accidentally” died three months later, the police would consider you guilty. Would this be a conspiracy theory? Why did the owner of the towers take out insurance on the buildings a few months before 9/11, and insure them for a terrorist attack? And that would just be a fraction of what should be considered. I don’t believe the official story, and there is so much wrong with it that only a fool would believe it. I find it very insulting that a few people take it upon themselves to call anyone who does not believe it “Truthers.” Maybe the truth is that the Truthers have done more than give a lot of lip service and sought out some real truth, while those who display idle talk show their real ignorance. And, you PhD holders, who cares what you have those pieces of paper mean nothing to anyone but you. If you are using your education to prove everyone else wrong, go back to school you are still too stupid for real society.

Dear National Geographics: You are no longer part of my viewing program. Since you did not show any evidence with substance that proved the truthers wrong, you are obviously lying and part of the problem with this country and the corruption at the top. If you lie about this program, I am assuming that all you programming is also fiction.

9/11 was plotted by the government who are just puppets for the reptilian entities that control them, people need to start waking up! 9/11 was just scratchin the surface. More and more knowledge is being put out there everyday...stop listening to Fix(Fox) news and all that junk, you're being fed fears and lies. Go onto youtube and type in "Loose Change" and watch that documentary. Then google "Bohemian Grove" there's tons of information out there to obtain, start reading!!

I still do not understand how melted steel columns caused total pulverization of concrete, steel, and all the furnishings in WTC fire. Regardless of the science, it LOOKS like a demolition, and not a fire that burns a structure down to ashes eventually. So when I voice that observation I am a conspiracy nut? That fellow Aaronski (not sure exact name) goes on with his amateur psychiatric analysis how dissenters want to believe that it takes a conspiracy so they feel better---when all I know is that tons of concrete and steel reduced to powder looks like an explosion and not a regular fire. The pancaking collapse, tons of weight, still doesn't not satisfy me that it HAD to be that way because they say so when it looks so absolutely demolished and not burned.

If I said that Watergate was not a conspiracy that would be lunacy. A lot of people and government agencies WERE involved in at least the cover-up, if not the break-in. What if I said they were individuals, lone nuts, acting alone, who coincidentally broke in to the building at the same time? Some of those responses by the scientists actually use that logic.

Nixon had Watergate and he lied about the bombing in Cambodia, the very start of the fight in Vietnam at the Gulf of Tonkin was probably a lie, and we do not believe our government would try to conspire or cover-up? 56,000 men died in Vietnam, and yet we are so sure the government would not be involved in worse? How many agencies were involved in trying to kill Castro? Maybe Castro is alive because a lone nut did not try to kill him? Lone nuts seem to get more done than the CIA.

Most serial killers work alone, but the Hillside Stranglers were a pair. Ku Klux Klan ganged up in a mob to lynch blacks. Hitler was a lone nut but he got an entire country to go along with his madness--conspiracy, if you will on a large scale to logistically move millions of people to death camps. Jim Jones got 900 people to take the purple kool-aid.

The Military has a "need to know" basis. This guy only needs to his part, and he may not even realize the big picture. To dismiss and ridicule the very mention of conspiracy because "thousands" of people would have to be in on it is not impossible, regardless of how much I do or do not want it to be a conspiracy. For the science guy to be dismissive of any possibility of conspiracy is a wonder to me--how can it not be a possibility in view of the oddity of WTC 1, 2 and 7 all collapsing like that?

I think that scientists being too reasonable discounts the craziness of lone nuts and government agencies and politicians and dictators and Mafia and Ku Klux Klan and terrorists that really do get together and plan and execute crimes all the time.

Joseph McCarthy did not act alone on the House on UnAmerican Activities--he got congress and quite a bit of America involved in his cause. So its not impossible to get a bunch of people to do something, and for scientists to go on about how paranoid we all are for daring to think there might be more to 911 than we've been told is offensive to me.